Ahmmm, and something IN THE FRIGGIN gunrack!

fukk up my own kid?!

fukk up my own kid:eek:

my son already has a shotgun with his name on it. a 20ga 391 youth model with wood stocks and very pretty machining on the bolt. by the time he is 12 or so he will be in the field with me busting the hell out of dove and ducks. my son will be cleaning ducks and shotguns while most other kids in his class will still not know where beef comes from. heck at 5 he knows a bit about that stuff already!

but he will also respect the rules (i hope!). and he will not have been taught to mock or belittle anyone who doesn't like the idea of him bringing a knife or gun to school just because he and i know he won't kill anyone with it.

some of you people are out of your minds thinking there is any justifiable reason to bring a knife to school. i think jyl pretty much made that case. but hey, you guys keep living in the past and pretending the world hasn't become a more violent place and that kids haven't changed. maybe jeff lives in a rich all white suburban utopia where leave it to beaver seems like reality television but the world is not nearly the same place.

My son and daughter, both elementary school aged have started to learn about knife safety. When they are old enough, they will learn the proper use of a firearm, and will progess from the bb-gun, .22, .410 shotgun etc. I think its important. Then again, I also think its important that they have an understanding of how a car works, etc and when they get old enough, they will help with the changing of the oil, tire rotation, etc.

BTW, I still carry a knife everyday.

but unless your son carries a knife to school every day he has no chance of ever being a man. at least in higgys eyes.

I don't think it's leave it to beaver, but what we're discussing is the reluctance of people to take responsibility. It's the "my kid's allergic to peanuts, so none of yoose better bring a PBJ sandwich to school." mentality.
Your willing to accept this is what seems to be setting you apart from the majority here.

Don't get me started on the whole peanut butter allergy thing. A kid down the street can't even smell peanuts. WTF, I don't remember any kids growing up that had issues that bad.

The six year old most likely knows more about how to handle the knife than the adults who took it from him. Just because educators have a degree doesn't make them smart or mean they have or use common sense.

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Dan you keep changing the subject item.

It's not a sandwich. It's not aspirin.

It was a K N I F E.

Can you PLEASE get past the nonsense in the article about what a great kid little johnny is and just look at the fact that this was a K N I F E. Not only that but the parents had every reason to know the rules.

THE PARENTS KNEW THE RULES. where is the responsibility here?

Yes, the punishment was freakishly horrible.

But knives in school are a no go. Like jyl said, who is really leaving school and whittling or hunting in the field next door or trapping furbearing critters for dinner?

i'll ask it plain and simple: what does a elementary school kid (or any school kid) need a knife in school for?

SOME OF YOU think the world is coming to an end because kids can't bring knives to school in Delaware. This, imo, is nutso.

I'll be happy to agree to the No Tolerance rule for kids as soon as the crappy teachers start agreeing to random drug tests themselves, random searches of their homes, and a speeding ticket means you lose your job.

Oh do as I say not as I do.

Utter nonsense, every last bit of this (except the part about normal pocket knives vs. larger knives).

The only reason there is more concern about violence in school these days is because the hand-wringing ninnies have castrated our ability to address it head-on. We now treat the truly violent with kid gloves and the innocent like violent criminals. There is no longer a distinction between punishment for what he "could have done" vs. what he actually did. Our efforts to be "fair" in all things have led us to soften our treatment of the truly bad, to try to "understand" them more, and to forever give them another chance. In the meantime, we punish the innocent for no crime at all, based purely upon what some cowering fool is afraid he "could have done".

And no, "we" are not an "urban society". This narrow-minded, myopic view of the world leads to more and more of this foolishness. Kids in my neighborhood still play outside, whittle sticks, and cut ropes. I live in suburbia. Both of my boys went to high school in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. Both carried knives to school, and both had rifles at school during deer season and shotguns during duck season. They left them with the staff, and no one cared. Eau Claire is about as suburban as it gets. You don't have to live "out in the country", even in this day and age, to continue to live like this.

Why do you have to throw "tactical folder" into the conversation? The kid had a utility tool issued by the Boy Scouts. Even in my day, a "tactical folder" probably would have been taken away by the teacher or principal. Given back at the end of the day, with the kid being told not to bring it back. No detention, no cops, no 45 days in reform school, no school board meetings. Just plain common sense.

Darn tootin'. It's all part of a much, much bigger picture. One of responsibility, self reliance, and the like. One where he won't grow up with an irrational fear of inanimate objects. One where he knows if his actions and decisions harm no one else, cost no one else, inconvenience no one else - they are no one else's business. One where other's fears of what might be are not allowed to rule his life, where he does not give them permission to do so. One where others, in their fears, do not get to rationalize what he "needs" or does not need; where he is left to that decision for himself. One where he does not have to give up all manner of rights in some fear-driven, missguided effort at pre-emptive laws and rules meant to ward off what may never come, and keep us all safe and cozy from all imaginable possibilities. One where his liberty is more important than some cowering, fearful, hand-wringing ninnies' feeling of security.

So, yes, real men carry knives, and they start early. Real men trust budding real men to do so.

I skipped the article, but the real topic here is whether it's a good practice to carry a knife to school. Should Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts be exempt? Some suggest that in so many words along with reminiscing about boyhood days long past.

I think we can all agree that kids are individuals, and as such, are different. Their attitudes, personalities and perceptions all combine to be who they are. The anecdotal experiences of, "all my friends (scouts or otherwise) had knives and nobody got hurt" are not valid for 100% of the population, then or now. If they were, I'd place the responsibility for any mishap on the shoulders of those who claim, "everything's okay." Good thing you guys don't make the rules.

Can we all agree a pocket knife can be razor sharp? If so, and if you suggest carrying to school is okay, then one could assume you're also okay with carrying an equally sharp box cutter (aka knife). If you agree with their similarities and still say it's fine, then you're an irresponsible parent and your credibility in this discussion is more than suspect.

Sherwood
(parent of former Cub Scout, Boy Scout and Eagle Scout)

I think the subject item encompasses all of the above. Peanuts, aspirin, knife...no, wait. It wasn't a "knife" really, was it?
"Six-year-old Zachary Christie was so excited to become a Cub Scout that he brought his camping utensil to school. The tool serves as a spoon, a fork and a knife, and Zachary wanted to use it at lunch."

Shrill.
My opinion.

"So, yes, real men carry knives, and they start early. Real men trust budding real men to do so."

I read this and find so much inadequacy in it. Just mho.

Sherwood

You would.

I see no harm in a non-punk boy carrying a small knife just as i see no harm in one hunting, or shooting a bow, riding a motorbike off-road, or doing anything else that requires trust.

Do you mean a knife? Like a metal one? Most likely steel?

The kind we had in elementary grade lunchrooms when we were kids?

I think they have been replaced by plastic "sporks". No worry, the kids are safe, hopefully they wont trip on their shoe-laces and really hurt themselves.

Oh, the shoelaces have been replaced by Velcro? All the better!

And so goes the feminization of men, as brought to us by the hand-wringing ninnies of the world.

I guess it has, in our modern day and age, become quite unfashionable to display any masculine qualities whatsoever. We are continually faced with those who cry "compensation" or "inadequacies" at the very hint of any such behavior. I think their continued focus on, and shrill hand-wringing sniveling over such, tell us far more about them than they would like to reveal.

You people are afraid. Afraid of yourselves, afraid of us, afraid of the big scary world. You want momma to make it all safe for you, to make all the scary things go away. You will never understand those of us that do not want this for ourselves nor our children, so you resort to your fear-driven rationalizations - he must be compensating for something, he must feel inadequate.

Ben Franklin said it best - "those who would sacrifice a measure of liberty to gain some measure of security deserve neither". He was thinking of guys like you.

society is going to hell o wait already there. I always had a knife and used it accordingly never against anyone. i can understand the no tolerance policy but not the extreme consequences for having one.

So snipe as a school board member you will be ready to designate who is and is not 'punk'?

Do you see where the problem is here?