Why do so many high performance vehicles come with summer only tires?

[89911]

Whats your problem? If you actually took the time to read all the post you would see I already drive an MDX with snow tires. So turning a sports sedan into a winter rat is pretty stupid. Stick to the South Carolina winters. Sounds like you can handle those.

[Tim Hancock]

Here in NW Ohio, I run fairly cheap Falken Ziex 912's (all season) on my 924's and my DD BMW 325i rear round. They are "acceptable" to me in snow/rain/dry, but not as good obviously as dedicated snows during winter.

My wife OTOH, really "whines" about all season tires in the snow in rear wheel drive cars, so last winter for her 330i I found a set of original matching wheels that had a set of dedicated snows installed with 50% life left for $350 on Craigslist . So for a mere $350, I have beautiful winter wheels. I will probably have to buy two new rear tires early this winter, but I am tickled with the great deal I scored on Craigslist.

I scored a similar great deal on Ebay several years ago for my older DD 325i, but once the wife quit driving it, I just went back to all seasons for the car on the nicer Ebay wheels.

I hate typical skinny steel winter wheels some buy for their BMW type cars and am too cheap to spend 2-3k on nice spare new wheels which is why I always will look on Craigslist/Ebay when faced with buying an affordable second set of wheels.

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by 89911

Whats your problem? If you actually took the time to read all the post you would see I already drive an MDX with snow tires. So turning a sports sedan into a winter rat is pretty stupid. Stick to the South Carolina winters. Sounds like you can handle those.

So, great... all you wanted to do was b!tch and moan about bad ol' BMW not tailoring their tire choice to your preferences since you live where you do.

So you can go buy the A/S tires of your choice, put them on the wheels that are on the car now, and drive the MDX on days there's snow or a chance of snow... problem solved... but you could have figured that out without starting this thread.

But wait... you did need to start this thread since you needed to whine publicly about BMW not knowing what tires you wanted on your car.

Problem solved again.

[RWebb]

you may need to lay off the coffee for a while

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by RWebb

you may need to lay off the coffee for a while

Heh heh. You're a *******, so it's understandable that you're sypathetic to the whiner... whining is an essential component to typical, myopic liberal thinking.

If you haven't read this whole thread yet, please do so... perhaps you'll be able to see the point I've been making.

[greglepore]

Well, first of all, BMW prolly figures that if you want a 550 you're interested in performance above cost, otherwise you'd be driving a used 528, eh? So, they give you what you "want". Also, they figure you have stupid money, cause if you didn't you'd buy one of the considerably less expensive 5's, so you can afford another 3k or so for matching wheels and winter tires.

Seriously, a 550 is not a compromise automobile. Anything less than season appropriate tires is a compromise. I'm sure you could buy 4 season tires and ebay the takeoffs for a minimal net loss, granted some hassle.

OTOH, maybe they should automatically include 4 season tires if you select the "cold package" but then the serious money guys in Montana and Aspen would scream.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

Heh heh. *******, whiner... whining myopic liberal thinking.

go put your screed on PARF

and if you don't want to help somebody on the forums, then STF

[89911]

Originally Posted by greglepore

Well, first of all, BMW prolly figures that if you want a 550 you're interested in performance above cost, otherwise you'd be driving a used 528, eh? So, they give you what you "want". Also, they figure you have stupid money, cause if you didn't you'd buy one of the considerably less expensive 5's, so you can afford another 3k or so for matching wheels and winter tires.

Seriously, a 550 is not a compromise automobile. Anything less than season appropriate tires is a compromise. I'm sure you could buy 4 season tires and ebay the takeoffs for a minimal net loss, granted some hassle.

OTOH, maybe they should automatically include 4 season tires if you select the "cold package" but then the serious money guys in Montana and Aspen would scream.

I got you. I guess they figure no one is going to drive a rear wheel car in the winter at all. Like I said, I'm going to pick up some all seasons for the cold and if I hate them in the summer, I will put the summer tires on. Thanks for sticking with the original question also.

[CurtEgerer]

There is, of course, the Nuclear Option: tarmac tire with cold temp compound with a handful of spikes for when you hit ice/snow at the top of the pass.

[onewhippedpuppy]

This is one of the stranger rants I've seen on here. There's two very simple options:

1. Talk to the dealer. See if they will cut you a deal to swap them out.

2. Don't drive in snow. If you have multiple snow tire equipped vehicles, why even sweat it?

The below 50 F stuff isn't worth worrying about. I've had summer tires and driven them in sub-freezing temps, for normal driving you won't even notice. Avoid winter autoX and you'll be fine.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

This is one of the stranger rants I've seen on here. There's two very simple options:

1. Talk to the dealer. See if they will cut you a deal to swap them out.

2. Don't drive in snow. If you have multiple snow tire equipped vehicles, why even sweat it?

The below 50 F stuff isn't worth worrying about. I've had summer tires and driven them in sub-freezing temps, for normal driving you won't even notice. Avoid winter autoX and you'll be fine.

I agree. The reason that BMW and other car makers put summer performance tires on their high-performance cars is because people want the best tires on them and those are the best tires. They assume, (correctly), that if anyone is going to drive one in the snow much, they will install snow tires for the winter.

I grew up in Minnesota and have lived in the Colorado Rockies w/o ever putting special snow tires on a car. I also never owned an AWD vehicle in those days. We drove whatever POS car we could afford and just slid around, having a ball and learning car control. Old American sleds w/ marginal summer tires, I had a '70 Chevelle w/ regular tires when I lived in Aspen, etc...

You're making way too big of a deal about it, IMO. Just don't take the car in question on any road trips in the winter and if you get caught in falling snow in the city, just drive home carefully. Problem solved.

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by RWebb

go put your screed on PARF

and if you don't want to help somebody on the forums, then STF

Awww... the little ******* got his feelin's hurt. The truth always hurts, doesn't it?

I did want to help him, bonehead... look at post #16.

I can't quite find where you tried to help him, however. Can you?

Hmmmm???

speeder ("You're making way too big of a deal about it, IMO.") and onewhipped ("This is one of the stranger rants I've seen on here.") get the point I've been making.

Get over yourself... your brain isn't working right in your present dysfunctional condition.

[89911]

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

Awww... the little ******* got his feelin's hurt. The truth always hurts, doesn't it?

I did want to help him, bonehead... look at post #16.

I can't quite find where you tried to help him, however. Can you?

Hmmmm???

speeder ("You're making way too big of a deal about it, IMO.") and onewhipped ("This is one of the stranger rants I've seen on here.") get the point I've been making.

Get over yourself... your brain isn't working right in your present dysfunctional condition.

And I like to "whine". Time to up your meds.

[CurtEgerer]

Another tire that might be perfect for your application, and one I've heard a lot of good things about, is the BF Goodrich g-Force Super Sport AS. It has 3 different rubber compounds - dry weather compound on the shoulders, wet weather compound on the center rib and cold/snow compound flanking the center rib. For cold dry pavement, it's as good as it gets. I saw a comparison test a while back where it dominated on the track. I would have bought them in a heartbeat for my quattro but they weren't available in the size I needed.

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by 89911

And I like to "whine". Time to up your meds.

No meds needed.

If it hurts to realize that you're prone to whine, maybe you can work on that.

[89911]

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

No meds needed.

If it hurts to realize that you're prone to whine, maybe you can work on that.

Nothing "hurts". I'm done with this thread. I've got some useful information and some amusing stuff from your misguided mind. I thank the answers that stuck to the general questions. As far as your posts, how you can get from tire choices to political viewpoints is a great gift and perhaps you shouldn't be wasting you talent on off topic boards. Do you try to find any venue to place your agendas? I guess with 3000+ post in little more then a year, you have to find one form or another, even if its irrelevant, to express your, dare I say conservative, viewpoint. It's amazing what the anonymity and the distance of the Internet will do for some. You will post again, the floor is yours since it is impossible for you not to have the last word. I know you can't resist