I'm convinced that this will kill us all..

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by svandamme

news reported that they got the Hardon Collider up to top/record speed today
but no report yet of any hardon's actually colliding

you need to read this thread more closely Stijn

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

you need to read this thread more closely Stijn

Oh, that works well too!

[Rick V]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

you poor lost unwashed masses

I shower every day TYVFM

[competentone]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

So in place of ignorance you use "unrecognizable forces" to fill in for your lack of intelligence, curiosity, and capability.

You attribute mysticism to concepts that are beyond your capacity.

If you were living a few hundred to a few thousand years ago, your behavior would be the norm. "The world is flat." you would say. Spontaneous generation would satisfy how all non-reproductive life forms. God is a big ball of light in the sky in constant battle with the lesser light at night.

You use mysticism to label modern physics, and most likely anything else beyond your comprehension level, as mysticism.

I see it is a complete waste of time to attempt to continue any exchange with you.

It is obvious that you either haven't bothered to read a word of what I've written or have such limited reading comprehension skills that you haven't understood my comments.

My position is exactly the opposite of what you have ascribed to me. My criticism of modern physics is that it offers pseudo-answers (like mystical philosophies do) to "explain" phenomena not understood.

As I commented to "Pazuzu" (just before your post):

I don't know what the mechanism is behind observed phenomena like gravity or magnetism -- and neither do you. You offer pseudo-answers (circular argument) which stifles scientific inquiry, but perhaps that is your intention.

Admitting "we don't understand the mechanism" is the first step in scientific inquiry.

[exitwound]

I think you're having a hard time convincing anyone here because you haven't been able to state your hypothesis succinctly. It's impossible to test it in its current form. Please resubmit your hypothesis so that it an be peer reviewed.

[Schumi]

Originally Posted by competentone

Admitting "we don't understand the mechanism" is the first step in scientific inquiry.

I think, as a whole, the scientific community is mildly admitting this... or else they wouldn't have sunk 10 billion dollars into the ridiculously amazing god damned machine that this thread was supposed to be about.

[competentone]

Originally Posted by Schumi

I think, as a whole, the scientific community is mildly admitting this... or else they wouldn't have sunk 10 billion dollars into the ridiculously amazing god damned machine that this thread was supposed to be about.

The "scientific community" sunk $10 billion into that machine?

No, politically connected "scientists" persuaded government officials to use money confiscated from the taxpayer (under threat of violence) to build that thing.

[Schumi]

Those said people constitute the word "they".


Seriously, take a chillaxitive.

[exitwound]

It wasn't until the 1960's (?) that the Earth was proven to be round. Until then, without pictures, it was only the math that predicted it.

There's no harm in attacking the questions from as many angles as possible, even if 99% of those avenues turn out to be dead ends.

[MrScott]

Originally Posted by competentone

I have no argument against the scientific method -- my previous comments on this thread about "building stuff" and seeing that it works is all about testing theory in reality.

My argument with some of the modern theoretical physics' ideas is that the ideas are so speculative, with so little grounding in reality, they are, for all practical purposes "untestable."

I think we can all agree with competentone here:
scientific method good,
inherently untestable hypotheses bad.

Who knows where further exposure to the field would lead him, but the fundamentals are solid and I for one am grateful to be part of a thread that's reached some consensus

And Mike, thanks for your updates and explanations.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by competentone

The "scientific community" sunk $10 billion into that machine?

No, politically connected "scientists" persuaded government officials to use money confiscated from the taxpayer (under threat of violence) to build that thing.

are you opposed to smashing up lil' tiny things?

or is it too expensive? or what?

[red-beard]

We could have had this years ago, but the Dems cancelled the SSC program in 1993. It was SSC or ISS.

[Pazuzu]

Damned, I never knew how powerful us scientists were! Now I know that we're con men, lairs, mystics AND international extortionists!

Dude...I'm SOOO getting laid tonight now that I can brag about that at the pub!

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Damned, I never knew how powerful us scientists were! Now I know that we're con men, lairs, mystics AND international extortionists!

Dude...I'm SOOO getting laid tonight now that I can brag about that at the pub!

make sure you leave the pocket protector home

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Damned, I never knew how powerful us scientists were! Now I know that we're con men, lairs, mystics AND international extortionists!

Dude...I'm SOOO getting laid tonight now that I can brag about that at the pub!

so it was you on the grassy knoll, and exactly where were you at lunchtime on June 28, 1914?

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

so it was you on the grassy knoll, and exactly where were you at lunchtime on June 28, 1914?

Duh...we can't bend time and space!


Sure, we lie to you, stating that we can, but it's all a con. Trust me, I'm a physicist.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

Duh...we can't bend time and space!

... I'm a physicist.

Sure you can bend it, man. We all do.

You mean you just can't bend it enuff.

I gotta HINT fer ya' too -- neutron stars in your pocket!