Polanski ordered back to US

[m21sniper]

It doesn't even matter if the law is rubbish....by the way, it's absolutely not in my estimation.

An adult fking a 13yo, no matter the circumstances is reprehensible, and wrong. Stop, end of story.

He deserves life in prison.

[VINMAN]

Originally Posted by Dottore

Yes she was 13. So what? She certainly didn't look it or act it.

Thats your logic for defending this scumbag?

You are one sick motherfucher!

[911boost]

Wow just wow. I think Dottore has a man crush on Polanski. That is the only explanation I can come up for why someone would try to convince everyone on this board that sex with a 13 yo is ok as long as the 13 yo looks or acts older. She was in freaking 7th grade!

I vote we let Polanski use Dottore's back door and see how much he likes it.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Dottore

I'll say it one last time. I'm suggesting the law is rubbish.

When someone is obviously sexually mature and sexually experienced (and arguably even a bit of a tart with a sexual history)—well in that case it seems to me the issue of whether or not she was raped should be determined by reference to the facts (ie; whether or not she consented to the act), and not by reference to an arbitrary age.

Do you get that rather simple point?

I live in L.A. and I am constantly in the presence of smoking hot, young women and girls. I tend to like them younger than myself, (I'm 50), and I grew up with a Dad that dated women half his age. (After divorcing my Mom). Most of my Dad's friends trended the same way. I can tell you with absolute certainty that as a middle-aged guy, a lot of 25 y.o. women look like they're barely out of HS to me. Beauties in their early 20s are just too young to hit-on in most all cases, (though certainly not illegal). Teenaged girls look like babies no matter how beautiful or physically mature they are. I've been around the modeling business and you are talking about the prettiest, tallest girls who get made-up to look older and pull it off in ads. They look like babies in person.

There is no way on earth to bang a 13 y.o. and mistake her for being much older and in fact that is not what happened w/ Polanski. Every available piece off evidence in the case, (and there is plenty), confirms that he raped her. What he did would be considered rape if she was 25. SG's grand jury testimony is widely available online and is particularly damning. I do not believe for a minute that she was lying or that she had some vengeful agenda against RP.

I could not admire him more as an artist or less as a person. He deserves whatever comes his way, that law is more than just.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by BSiple

Wow just wow. I think Dottore has a man crush on Polanski. That is the only explanation I can come up for why someone would try to convince everyone on this board that sex with a 13 yo is ok as long as the 13 yo looks or acts older. She was in freaking 7th grade!

I vote we let Polanski use Dottore's back door and see how much he likes it.

Totally disgusting, and so is anyone that would support such a scum bag.

If only i was nuanced enough to understand.

[Dottore]

Tough crowd.

Speeder: Sorry. I don't see it that way. Her consent (or lack of it) was the proper issue here. Not her age. In every other civilized country such consent would have been a question of fact to be decided by a court of law—not presumed by an absurd and outdated statutory rape law.

And the so-called 'victim' has publicly stated that she "regrets" her grand-jury testimony and the impact this has had on Polanski's life, and has openly pleaded with the DA to let this matter drop. And there is ample evidence that she was coached and manipulated in her original grand jury testimony by an overzealous prosecution.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by Dottore

4. Polanski has always been a ladies man. But as all of his old flames are quick to point out, he is very much a "lover or women"—not a hater. Always has been. He is not someone who is in any way inclined to be abusive even in the slightest—and completely leaving aside what might have transpired between him and the so-called victim that day—the simple fact is she has long ago let the matter drop, and has begged the DA to let it drop. There is no victim here, and there is much available evidence about the extent to which her testimony early on was coerced, cajoled and manipulated.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the girl say "No" to Polanski several times? Given his power and strength of will and the fact that she was given part of a Quaalude and some champagne, that sure sounds like rape to me, regardless of what you call the "ass" law. Also, wasn't she paid off? If so, kind of detracts from her credibility with respect to letting it go, does it not?

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

It's black and white to anyone with morals.

That's how far gone you are....you see reason where there is none. You find justification where there can be none.

By the way, thanks for not disappointing us. We knew you'd be here to defend the child molester.

Morals isn't a liberal trait, you know that...

I don't think I'm the only one on this board who has met girls younger than 16 who were fully mature and capable of not just consenting to sex, but actually actively seducing their opposite number.

At 13, she is not mentally mature, how anyone could defend someone who drugged & liquored up & screwed a 13 year old girl is beyond me
I gues you wouldn't mind a 50 year old guy knocking the bottom out of your 13 year old grand-daughter..

Originally Posted by m21sniper
[B]

So how many 13 yo's have you banged Dottore?


Just a couple. I was 15 at the time.

I was just the oppisite, when I was 13, I was banging the 15 year old down the street, and as a soph in high school, I was banging, dating seniors. Never in my teens did I ever want a 13 year old, I always dated a few years older back then...

Again, would you let your 13 year old Grand-daughter alone with Polanksi???

[dtw]

I'm with the good Dottore.

So mate, speaking as two like-minded gentlemen of distinction...do you have any young-ish daughters or nieces? I'm throwing a little 'photography party'. A few drinks, maybe a 'vitamin' or two. Just innocent fun.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Dottore, you are an absolutely disgusting example of the worst humanity has to offer.

I'm glad I have you on ignore.

[dtw]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

At 13, she is not mentally mature, how anyone could defend someone who drugged & liquored up & screwed a 13 year old girl is beyond me
I gues you wouldn't mind a 50 year old guy knocking the bottom out of your 13 year old grand-daughter..

Agreed, almost never dated anyone much younger than me. In high school I briefly dated a girl that was 2 years younger than me, complete waste of time. Senior year I scored a date with a 27 year old.

In college and after, always older women. One year to 3-4 years older, no big deal. My wife is older than me by 18 days

I just can't relate to this line of defense Dot's putting out there. As soon as I heard about this story, I went and read the entire court transcript. Seemed pretty clear-cut from that. Nonetheless, perhaps the testimony was false, maybe RP had been scammed. So then I googled up pictures of SG.

Zero defense. She was obviously a minor. Dot needs to study the images of the girl, then re-read what he did to her.

My guess is that he's got a similar episode in his past, and he is now projecting his own guilt onto the RP case. There's no rational reason someone would otherwise defend this guy.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by BlueSkyJaunte

Dottore, you are an absolutely disgusting example of the worst humanity has to offer.

I'm glad I have you on ignore.

Agree and here is a pic of the 7th grader that Polanski RAPED:



Simply cannot understand how someone can defend this action.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Agree and here is a pic of the 7th grader that Polanski RAPED:



Simply cannot understand how someone can defend this action.

Yeah, no way you can defend it with "she looked older" or "she wanted it". The only way that would seem ok is if you had no/warped morals. Based on who he was and when it was, I suspect it was easy for him to think it was OK (hollywood, sex and drugs everywhere), but that doesn't make it right.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by dtw

My guess is that he's got a similar episode in his past, and he is now projecting his own guilt onto the RP case. There's no rational reason someone would otherwise defend this guy.

My thinking exactly, which i alluded to in an earlier post.

His constant, unflinching, never wavering support for Polanski in thread after thread makes me think that Dottore is either Polanski's mother, or he has a similar episode in his past.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Dottore

It's remarkable to me how many of you see this as a black and white issue, when in fact it is anything but.
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Your a brave man Dottore. There are people who would want to throw YOU in jail, just for saying the things you've said.

I don't know much about the Polansky, but I don't believe anyone should be allowed to flout our legal system and get away with it. Being rich and connected should not mean you aren't subject to our laws. If the system is screwed up it needs to be changed, not sidestepped.

As for you making a distinction between rape and sex with underage children I agree. Having sex with children or underage teens should be it's own crime, separate and distinct from rape of an adult. The situations are too different for them to be considered the same crime.

[m21sniper]

Having sex with someone under 14 is a felony all of it's own flavor. Doesn't matter if it's consentual or not. It's irrelevant.

[varmint]

Originally Posted by Dottore

Tough crowd.

Speeder: Sorry. I don't see it that way. Her consent (or lack of it) was the proper issue here. Not her age. In every other civilized country such consent would have been a question of fact to be decided by a court of law—not presumed by an absurd and outdated statutory rape law.

And the so-called 'victim' has publicly stated that she "regrets" her grand-jury testimony and the impact this has had on Polanski's life, and has openly pleaded with the DA to let this matter drop. And there is ample evidence that she was coached and manipulated in her original grand jury testimony by an overzealous prosecution.

if you were polanski's defense attorney, he'd be headed for the chair.


a 13 year old cannot "consent" to anything. i could drive a few hours south and find some child who'd have sex with me. her mother would even take a check. their actions are irrelevant. i would have committed a crime.

also, having to first DRUG her, and then sodomizing her while she was CRYING sort of argue against the whole consent thing. having girls cry seems like a real turn off to me. maybe it works for him. it's 30 years later. and the woman want's to move on. the several hundred thousand dollars paid to her from the polanski camp helps. but again. that is irrelevant. roman has an established history of doing this to underage girls. in his autobiography he brags about ****ing natassia kinsky when she was 14 or 15. this is what you call a pattern.

[varmint]

p.s.


roman's new movie is called the ghost writer. it is supposedly an attack on blair/bush and the war in iraq.


thought experiment. would you rahter be a prisoner at abu ghraib, or a child in polanski's hot tub?

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by varmint

roman has an established history of doing this to underage girls. in his autobiography he brags about ****ing natassia kinsky when she was 14 or 15. this is what you call a pedophile.

Fixed!

[audiman08]

This discussion reminds me of the NAMBLA sickos who want to: "end the oppression of men and boys who have freely chosen mutually consenting relationships." In other words, let dirty old men have their way with "consenting" children. Children are very easy to manipulate, and pedophiles know this. It is easy to encourage a child to "consent" and if that doesn't work there's always date-rape drugs, right? Polanski is no different than any other neighborhood pedophile, except that he's very wealthy and famous and some would like to see him avoid his crimes because of this.