Polanski ordered back to US

[m21sniper]

You're called every name because you are defending a pedophile where there is no rational, reasonable defense.

None.

It makes you look VERY bad.

You're (again) clinging to total irrelevancies to explain why a FUGITIVE PEDOPHILE was justified. He's not, he's a rapist, he belongs in prison.

[Rick Lee]

Dottore, if it makes you feel better, I had dinner with Denis, DD74 and Fxeditor in LA two weeks ago and we all agreed that you're someone who knows how to live. We didn't touch on the Polanski issue though.

[PRE-H20]

too much talk

too much big words

get big rock

smash old french man and dottre

eat meat

sleep

[Tobra]

That is a bit much.

I would not condone cracking Dot in the melon with a brick because of anything he said.

I would be interested to know what you could possibly have read to cause you to form such a twisted opinion on the matter Dottore.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Tobra

That is a bit much.

I would not condone cracking Dot in the melon with a brick because of anything he said.

I would be interested to know what you could possibly have read to cause you to form such a twisted opinion on the matter Dottore.

I suspect he was trying to be funny. Kind of looks like he's going for the caveman thing.

[m21sniper]

You have to admit there's a lot of humor when bleeding liberals are involved.

[Joeaksa]

Especially when there is real blood involved. I mean, when someone, anyone, advocates the rape and buggering of a 13 year old girl, they must be sick along with the person doing the attacking. There simply is no way to see this in a positive light.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Dottore

Thanks again for focusing on the issue.

He spent 90 days in jail, as agreed with the DA in his lesser plea for "sex with a minor". That was the deal. That was what he pleaded guilty to.

What I disagree with is your point that fleeing when he saw he was going to be railroaded by a corrupt court was somehow wrong. Surely morality does not come into this decision. What is "rational, legal and moral" about subjecting yourself to an obvious travesty of justice?

The only real question here is whether his decision to flee was rational under the circumstances. With everything we now know about the judge and his intentions, I'm of the view that Polanski's choice was entirely rational.

Imagine if you were thrown into jail in Turkey, knew you were facing a corrupt court and possibly a long and entirely disproportionate sentence? Would you not flee the jurisdiction if you had the opportunity? I know I damn well would.

First, I'm sorry for the all the vitriol and insults that have been thrown at you. Those are the people who make justice difficult to achieve.
But back to the subject, what I see as corrupt is the fact that you can drug a 13 year old and bone her/him up the ass and "bargain" a 90 day sentence out of it, not the fact that somebody saw the light and said the bargain itself was a travesty of justice. I think several years in prison would be proportionate to the crime he committed.
This brings to light a bigger issue. People often avoid serious punishment for having sex with a child because it requires that the child testify, which can be as traumatic as the original attack. We need a system that does not even bring up the question of consent of the child. To protect children the only thing a judge needs to know is "did he/she do it." If the answer is yes - 25 years. No further questions or harassment of the child. It may be that a particular 13 year old is mature enough to give consent, but our biggest concern should be protecting the one's who aren't.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

You're called every name because you are defending a pedophile where there is no rational, reasonable defense.
.

The "pedophile" (are you sure he's a pedophile?) that committed the crime is the criminal here, not Dottore.

[VINMAN]

Someone who defends or justifies a pedophile is just as bad as the pedo him/herself.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by VINMAN

Someone who defends or justifies a pedophile is just as bad as the pedo him/herself.

The American justice system outgrew that neaderthal idea a couple of hundred years ago. Keep up.

[VINMAN]

WTF does the justice system have to do with morality?

Oh and I did not know that despising pedophlia was neanderthal..

[Joeaksa]

Looks like we have another child molester fan on the board!

Considering the number of posts he has, might even be Polanski himself!

Dot you have a boyfriend now! Hope he is young and not too fast

Joe A

(Who feels that child molestors should be taken out of the courthouse and SHOT in the gut and left to bleed to death)

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

The "pedophile" (are you sure he's a pedophile?) that committed the crime is the criminal here, not Dottore.

Obviously he is a pedophile. He's bragged about it, actually.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Looks like we have another child molester fan on the board!

Considering the number of posts he has, might even be Polanski himself!

Dot you have a boyfriend now! Hope he is young and not too fast

Joe A

(Who feels that child molestors should be taken out of the courthouse and SHOT in the gut and left to bleed to death)

One has to wonder if they belong to the same club????
No reasonable person defends the action of a child molestor

Curley v. NAMBLA
In 2000, a Boston couple, Robert and Barbara Curley, sued NAMBLA. According to the suit, Charles Jaynes and Salvatore Sicari, who were convicted of murdering the Curleys' son Jeffrey, "stalked ... tortured, murdered and mutilated [his] body on or about October 1, 1997. Upon information and belief immediately prior to said acts Charles Jaynes accessed NAMBLA's website at the Boston Public Library." According to police, Jaynes had eight issues of a NAMBLA publication in his home at the time of his arrest. The lawsuit further alleges that "NAMBLA serves as a conduit for an underground network of pedophiles in the United States who use their NAMBLA association and contacts therein and the Internet to obtain child pornography and promote pedophile activity."[23] Jaynes wrote in his diary, "This was a turning point in discovery of myself.... NAMBLA's Bulletin helped me to become aware of my own sexuality and acceptance of it [...]."[24]}}

Citing cases in which NAMBLA members have been convicted of sexual offenses against children, Larry Frisoli, the attorney representing the Curleys, argued that it is a "training ground" for adults who wish to seduce children, in which men exchange strategies on how to find and groom child sex partners.[25] He also claims that NAMBLA has sold at its website what he calls "The Rape and Escape Manual" that details how to avoid being caught and prosecuted. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) stepped in to defend NAMBLA as a free speech matter and won a dismissal based on the fact that NAMBLA is organized as an unincorporated association, not a corporation. John Reinstein, the director of the ACLU Massachusetts, said that although NAMBLA "may extol conduct which is currently illegal", there was nothing on its website that "advocated or incited the commission of any illegal acts, including murder or rape".[26] The Curleys continued the suit as a wrongful death action against individual NAMBLA members, some of whom were active in the group's leadership. The targets of the wrongful death suits included David Thorstad, a co-founder of NAMBLA and well-known writer. The Curleys alleged that Jaynes and Sicari, who were convicted of the rape and murder of their son, were members.

In April 2005, the wrongful death cases were still being considered by a Massachusetts federal court, with the ACLU assisting the defendants on the grounds that the suit violated their First Amendment rights to free speech.[23][27] The lawsuit was dropped in April 2008 after a judge ruled that a key witness was not competent to testify.[28]

[Joeaksa]

Dammit Byron, now you have brought NAMBLA into the mix.

Am guessing that Dot and -15 are board of directors members of this motley crew and will now threaten us with lawsuits and bondage! Course we are too old for their tastes so should be safe from any buggering, but you never know.

[enzo1]

I guess this will have to be "OJ" justice, where he gets off, but lives in his own personal hell & gets in trouble for something else, also not being able to come back to the states and hollywood lifestyle must be killing him, hopefully....

[Dueller]

Just in...Swiss deny U.S. extradition request...Polanski freed from house arrest. Swiss blame it on failure of U.S. to provide info on 1977 sentencing.o

[Joeaksa]

Swiss are saying that they only do this if the sentenance is over six months in duration. WTF?

Did not know you could run from the law for 30 years then get away from it like this!

[Dottore]

Originally Posted by Dueller

Just in...Swiss deny U.S. extradition request...Polanski freed from house arrest. Swiss blame it on failure of U.S. to provide info on 1977 sentencing.o

The US failed to provide this info, because it would have shown that Polanski had in fact served his full sentence as agreed in his plea bargain. To now disclose this information would have shown the world how corrupt and capricious the US courts can be. And the Americans didn't want to look any stupider than they already do.

The US has a third world judicial system, and the Swiss refusal to extradite Polanski clearly reflects this fact.

I had dinner with some senior Swiss lawyers a couple of months ago, who said that the fact that Polanski was even arrested in Switzerland at all was considered a "national tragedy" by almost all members of the Swiss bar.

So I suggest you guys need to get over this, like everyone else has long ago. If you want to do something useful, work on reforming your deeply flawed, legal judicial and penal institutions and processes.