Polanski ordered back to US

[Zeke]

I tend to agree with Dottore. If the "victim" didn't want him extradited, why the dance? But, can he come back now? No.

[Tobra]

It is not up to the victim whether he should be extradited or charged.

It is the State of California vs degenerate pedophile Polanski.

Perhaps if we lived in a more enlightened country, we would have stoned the young woman to death for tempting him by falling unconcious after he drugged her.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Tobra

It is not up to the victim whether he should be extradited or charged.

It is the State of California vs degenerate pedophile Polanski.

And for good reason in this case especially, since Polansky paid the victim off.

Dottore's objections seem dance around a lot in this case. First, it was no big deal, was consensual and happened a long time ago. Now it's because our legal system is arbitrary and capricious (I agree with him here). The bottom line for me is that Polansky was an adult at the time and exercised piss-poor judgment on numerous occasions wrt hanging out with very young women. It was a pattern of behavior, and one not to be voluntarily corrected. Poor judgment by people who should know better should have consequences.

[Turbo_pro]

I see two options for dealing with this admitted rapist.
The "Dog" can run him down like he did with Andrew Luster




Or better yet, Marsellus Wallace knows how to deal a rapist.

Warning harsh language.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by Dottore

So I suggest you guys need to get over this, like everyone else has long ago. If you want to do something useful, work on reforming your deeply flawed, legal judicial and penal institutions and processes.

So when are you two meeting so he can show you his technique for sodomizing young girls and getting away with it?

[m21sniper]

And I get grief for dating 20yo's....

[s_morrison57]

Originally Posted by varmint

a list of the hollywood buffoons who supported polanski. they have mostly gone to ground now that the truth of the rape has been dug back up.

Fatih Akin, Stephane Allagnon, Woody Allen, Pedro Almodovar, Wes Anderson, Jean-Jacques Annaud, Alexandre Arcady, Fanny Ardant, Asia Argento, Darren Aronofsky, Olivier Assayas, Alexander Astruc, Gabriel Auer, Luc Barnier , Christophe Barratier, Xavier Beauvois , Liria Begeja , Gilles Behat, Jean-Jacques Beineix, Marco Bellochio, Monica Bellucci, Djamel Bennecib, Giuseppe Bertolucci , Patrick Bouchitey, Paul Boujenah, Jacques Bral, Patrick Braoudé, André Buytaers, Christian Carion, Henning Carlsen, Jean-michel Carre, Mathieu Celary, Patrice Chéreau, Elie Chouraqui, Souleymane Cissé, Alain Corneau, Jérôme Cornuau, Miguel Courtois, Dominique Crevecoeur, Alfonso Cuaron, Luc et Jean-Pierre Dardenne, Jonathan Demme, Alexandre Desplat, Rosalinde et Michel Deville, Georges Dybman, Jacques Fansten, Joël Farges, Gianluca Farinelli (Cinémathèque de de Bologne), Etienne Faure, Michel Ferry, Scott Foundas, Stephen Frears, Thierry Frémaux, Sam Gabarski, René Gainville, Tony Gatlif, Costa Gavras, Jean-Marc Ghanassia, Terry Gilliam, Christian Gion, Marc Guidoni, Buck Henry, David Heyman, Laurent Heynemann, Robert Hossein, Jean-Loup Hubert, Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu, Gilles Jacob, Just Jaeckin, Alain Jessua, Pierre Jolivet, Kent Jones (World Cinema Foundation), Roger Kahane, Nelly Kaplan, Wong Kar Waï, Ladislas Kijno, Harmony Korinne, Jan Kounen, Diane Kurys, Emir Kusturica, John Landis, Claude Lanzmann, André Larquié, Vinciane Lecocq, Patrice Leconte, Claude Lelouch, Gérard Lenne, David Lynch, Michael Mann, François Margolin, Jean-PierreMarois, Tonie Marshall, Mario Martone, Nicolas Mauvernay, Radu Mihaileanu, Claude Miller, Mario Monicelli, Jeanne Moreau, Sandra Nicolier, Michel Ocelot, Alexander Payne, Richard Pena (Directeur Festival de NY), Michele Placido, Philippe Radault, Jean-Paul Rappeneau, Raphael Rebibo, Yasmina Reza, Jacques Richard, Laurence Roulet, Walter Salles, Jean-Paul Salomé, Marc Sandberg, Jerry Schatzberg, Julian Schnabel, Barbet Schroeder, Ettore Scola, Martin Scorsese, Charlotte Silvera, Abderrahmane Sissako, Paolo Sorrentino, Guillaume Stirn, Tilda Swinton, Jean-Charles Tacchella, Radovan Tadic, Danis Tanovic, Bertrand Tavernier, Cécile Telerman, Alain Terzian, Pascal Thomas, Giuseppe Tornatore, Serge Toubiana, Nadine Trintignant, Tom Tykwer, Alexandre Tylski, Betrand Van Effenterre, Wim Wenders, Isabelle Adjani ,Antoine Aronin, Paul Auster, Morgane Beauverger,Candice, Belaisch-Goldchmit, Yamina Benguigui, Pascal Bruckner, Jessika Cohen, Philippe Corbé, Jean-Paul Dayan, Katarina De Meulder, Arielle Dombasle, Nathalie Faucheux, Corinne Figuet, Pierre Forciniti, Louis Garrel, Albert Gauvin, Johanna Gozlan, Davide Homitsu Riboli, Taylor Hackford, Isabelle Huppert, Neil Jordan, Thierry Kamami, Milan Kundera, Gaelle Lancien, Claude Lanzmann, Bernard-Henri Lévy, Sam Mendes, Camille Meyer, Patrick Mimouni, Yann Moix, Mike Nichols, Sandra Nicolier, Marie Nieves Perez Neël, Salman Rushdie, Carine Sarna, Ysabelle Saura Del Pan, William Shawcross, Olivier Soares Barbosa, Steven Soderbergh, Nil Symchowicz, Danièle Thompson, Eugenia Varela Navarro, Diane von Furstenberg, Scott Foundas, Margaret Walker, Elsa Zylberstein.


i thank them for signing. because it beats having to look them up one at a time on the megan's law site.

third name, first line speaks volumes on the intergrity of this list, looks like they got the names outta French phone book

[Dottore]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Dottore's objections seem dance around a lot in this case. First, it was no big deal, was consensual and happened a long time ago. Now it's because our legal system is arbitrary and capricious (I agree with him here). The bottom line for me is that Polansky was an adult at the time and exercised piss-poor judgment on numerous occasions wrt hanging out with very young women. It was a pattern of behavior, and one not to be voluntarily corrected. Poor judgment by people who should know better should have consequences.

My views on this fiasco have been consistent and clear from the start.

You guys have all been on your high horses about some moral outrage that you feel deeply—but really know nothing about—sitting as judge, jury and executioners behind your keyboards.

If you applied only half of the righteous indignation that you so freely lavish on Polanski on doing something about corrupt judges and overzealous prosecutors, and a judicial system that is all about theater and artifice rather than justice—you might be doing something useful.

That the US prosecutors refused to disclose the evidence of the plea bargain that was made, and for which Polanski did his time, really makes these clowns look even stupider than they are. The Swiss did absolutely the right thing in refusing to extradite.

Sorry for the harsh words, but this thread has shown a side of some of you guys that is really rather pathetic.

[s_morrison57]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

And I get grief for dating 20yo's....

Grief, maybe, envy.... yes, we need more pic's

[s_morrison57]

Snipe, you gotta put that pole back in the fire house, then take the pic's

[m21sniper]

I do eventually plan to have a pole re-installed in the firehouse.

[Tobra]

Dot, the problem is that you defend the indefensible.

He drugged and sodomized a 13 yo child. He sodomized her, rather than rape her the old fashioned way because of concerns about pregnancy, all this according to Polanski.

You thinking that it is more important that the judge was not going for the deal, upon which the plea was predicated, is more important than the fact that he drugged and anally raped a child is what normal humans find horrifying.

Done with you dot, good day sir.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by tobra

dot, the problem is that you defend the indefensible.

He drugged and sodomized a 13 yo child. He sodomized her, rather than rape her the old fashioned way because of concerns about pregnancy, all this according to polanski.

You thinking that it is more important that the judge was not going for the deal, upon which the plea was predicated, is more important than the fact that he drugged and anally raped a child is what normal humans find horrifying.

Done with you dot, good day sir.

100+

[Turbo_pro]

Originally Posted by milt

I tend to agree with Dottore. If the "victim" didn't want him extradited, why the dance? But, can he come back now? No.

Milt, the crimes at issue are more than just the child rape in question.
There is also the federal crime of "flight to avoid prosecution."
This crime is a matter of statute and is independent of the question of " original complainant's desires".

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 49 > § 1073

Flight to avoid prosecution or giving testimony

Whoever moves or travels in interstate or foreign commerce with intent either
(1) to avoid prosecution, or custody or confinement after conviction, under the laws of the place from which he flees, for a crime, or an attempt to commit a crime, punishable by death or which is a felony under the laws of the place from which the fugitive flees..............

[Zeke]

I said "I tend to agree with Dottore" but I failed to elaborate. You are correct Turbo, there has been a federal warrant out for RP since '77 when he fled. I'm not sure what charges would be filed if he were to be arrested here. You may have the statute right there.

The farce that occurred when all the original charges were dropped in a plea bargain except an unlawful sex conviction put RP in a mental institution for 42 days, short of the 90 he was sentenced to.

Apparently the courts didn't think too much of the crime at the time to offer that plea and then waffle on sentencing. Since deportation was seemingly going to be part of the sentence, RP deported himself. No one knows how much prison time he would have gotten. Probably not much.

Dottore states that our justice system is in need and I said I tend to agree. Apparently the Swiss officials agree as well.

I have never condoned what RP did.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by milt

I have never condoned what RP did.

No one does, or ever will.

I won't try and speak for Dot, he is more than capable...but I will say the the black and white in this mess has been smudged beyond the pale: agreements made (and they always are in a high profile case), fees paid to the victim because justice would obviate a payday for the poor young woman (and, in this case, her parents), deals broken over politics and the years trickle past this sad cafe...

And I will never lapse into the "talent" excuse for RP...but what should have happened did not, justice was not served.

There is no perfect legal system, Swiss or not. Let it go.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Dot, the problem is that you defend the indefensible.

He drugged and sodomized a 13 yo child. He sodomized her, rather than rape her the old fashioned way because of concerns about pregnancy, all this according to Polanski.

You thinking that it is more important that the judge was not going for the deal, upon which the plea was predicated, is more important than the fact that he drugged and anally raped a child is what normal humans find horrifying.

Done with you dot, good day sir.

Some folks (like the guys on the left) like to make excuses for others.
They don't like to see people punished, they like to give others a pass for incredibly poor and immoral behavior as witnessed in this thead.

Why? because if others are buried in depravity it makes their own sick little world not look so bad. Plus if they ever get caught they want a pass too.

[jorian]

The Swiss authorities ruled on the merits of the case to extradite presented to them, not the specifics of the charges. Don't forget, in the face of great international pressure, they arrested him in the first place. Clearly he committed heinous crimes. It is also clear the LA County DA acted in bad faith.

[Jeff Higgins]

You guys should be screaming for the heads of the original prosecutor and judge in this case, in addition to Polanski's. They farked up and let him go after extracting a confession based on a plea deal, abusing their positions that we, the public had trusted them with. It was all about influence, notoriety, and backroom dealing for those guys. Like Dottore says, our criminal justice system is entirely screwed up. This case is a proverbial poster child for the abuses that run rampant in that system. The Swiss merely recognize that a deal was struck, no matter how unsavory, and its terms need to be honored. No "do-overs" for either side once they agree to a deal. The prosecutor and judge failed in their duties to secure justice for the public they serve. They belong in jail as well, along with a whole raft of their contemporaries.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Dottore

The US failed to provide this info, because it would have shown that Polanski had in fact served his full sentence as agreed in his plea bargain. To now disclose this information would have shown the world how corrupt and capricious the US courts can be. And the Americans didn't want to look any stupider than they already do.

I've looked into this and can 't find any facts that state he had a plea bargain. Every news report I can find says he was put away for a 90 day psychiatric evaluation in preparation for sentencing.
Interestingly enough, one of the news reports says, "... the law provides automatic deportation for those convicted of crimes of moral turpitude who are sentenced to one year or more in prison." If that is correct, he wouldn't spend more than a year in prison here under any circumstances.