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If you really care about your engine. use something like a "System One" Yea it's about 100 bucks but the cost of a new motor is big money,
I had one on my 928 and it worked great for 13 years and 10's of thousands of miles. Open it clean it and see what was in it. (nice piece of mind). The filter elements came in fine or course micron values. I have burst several differnet brands of steel can filters in my 914 on a cold race morning. Split them and separated at the top. |
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When I see a Fram filter on any rig, I just think to myself, "The guy hasn't read the articles yet."
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The owner of this '71 365 GTB/4 Daytona Spyder up for auction isn't using Fram...  RM AUCTIONS
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There are a few P cars for sale now that show pics of engine bays/boots with Fram filters - and these are not beaters either!
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Fram filters are universally hated on the car boards I frequent. I have had people tell me that they found metal shavings in Fram filters, left over from the manufacturing process.
In this case OEM better. I am also quite sure that in cases where an oil filter is mounted with the hole pointing up, you don't have to be as critical of a filter as in a car where it is sideways or upside down. Oil is not going to drain out of the filter and starve your car of oil during startup. OEM filters are designed for your car. They do what they are supposed to do, and if they are supposed to keep the oil primed in the system they do. I had a problem with a non OEM filter on a Porsche one time and that would be the end of that for me. |
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Spoke to John today (worked for Fram as machinist for 28 years) and he said that when he left some 21 million filters/yr were made for Honda (OEM) and they had also done them for Toyota and Ford. He then added that Honda is working on a replacable cartridge system which sounds like a greener choice. The Filters have been made at this plant for more than 50 years.
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I used to be a Honda dealer and years ago I cut open a Honda filter and compared it to a Fram, and some others. I can tell you the Honda filter and the over-the-counter Fram had nothing in common. Not a single part.
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It's possible that Fram makes OEM filters to meet the OEM specs then labels them as OEM.
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That's possible but then you'd have to ask yourself why they make such cheap and nasty ones to label their own?
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It's an auto part. It is all about the cost.
Fram isn't incapable of making a good filter, there's just no money it. |
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At one time, Fram was 'the' filter. Were the most expensive, highest quality.
When Bendix bought Fram, (maybe Honeywell later?) they went on a campaign to increase profits and decrease costs. Redesigned the filters with less expensive materials and methods. Today they are almost universally panned. I won't use anything but Mahle or Porsche. |
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I usually just buy OEM.
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Is anyone aware of a way to rig up multiple filters? Yes, maybe this is crazy but OTOH I can't think of an easier or simpler way to increase the protection for your engine. I'm sure it could be rigged up pretty easily too - the biggest issue would be making sure your second filter was in a place where you had proper clearance for it.
Just another crazy thought by yours truly. Heck, maybe I'll see if I can devise something like this for my 911 or 944. Why not?
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Were you proposing parallel or series filters? Not that either is a good idea.
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Wouldn't it just be easier (and cheaper) to buy a decent filter, as opposed to figuring out a way to rig multiple Frams in a row?
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