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03-14-2010 09:19 PM |
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Originally Posted by 911Rob
(Post 5236866)
...1. I agree with speeder's posts, the guy has it knocked down to a T...
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Yup. And add nostatic. For the lazy bastards who may have jumped in late in the game and haven't read this thread from the beginning, here's a recap Edited - personal attack removed. -Z-man.
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Originally Posted by speeder
(Post 5221074)
Exactly. There are certain situations in life that are just guaranteed losers. I'm glad that the situation did not turn out worse but a little common sense is in order:
Dollars to donuts, he thinks that you're doinking his GF. Were you? You left that out. Homie wants to get a job at the baby shirt factory and see what's goin' on. You tell him, "I don't think we'd get along." What playbook did that one come out of?? What's wrong with, "I'll let you know" ? The tried and true brush-off used since the cavemen days? Jeezus...
THEN, you physically crowd him or "escort" him to the door? With no intention (or balls) for a physical fight? WTF playbook does that come out of? Even I would not have done that. Just sit at your desk, (or knitting table/loom/whatever), and ask him to leave. If you'd followed common sense and not said something biitch-like first, it would never have gotten to this stage. He'd just be leaving now.
The *head-push* thing was him wanting to break you in half but the "I don't want to go (back) to prison urge fighting with what was in his balls. I've been there. Once he touched you, though, it's simple assault w/ no witnesses from the sound of things. Thank god he did not go completely USPS on you, it sounds like he hates you bigtime.
Is he a credible threat? Depends on how cowardly he is. The bigger the coward, the more you have to worry. Those are the guys who wind up on the 6 o' clock news, generally.
Take a common sense class at your local community college, if there is such a thing before something really bad happens. And yes, you were right to make a police report. :cool:
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Originally Posted by nostatic
(Post 5221537)
This is why you get in fights. You have a totally warped definition of terms, and/or have an ego that is so fragile you need to take a swing when it is mildly threatened.
Someone invading your personal space isn't an attack. The results of Shaun's incident show that there was nothing to defense against. The whole thing essentially is a male pissing match and showdown of egos. If someone is man enough to walk away from that, or better yet, avoid it in the first place, then there is no confrontation.
For me, the time to fight is when there is no other choice. That's what I've been taught. Luckily I haven't hit that situation, and I've been in some *very* sketchy times/places.
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Originally Posted by speeder
(Post 5221543)
Thing is, physical confrontations are to be avoided at all costs. To many bad possible outcomes and a lot to lose. I know some really, really tough guys who are long-since retired from brawling because they wanted to quit while they were ahead. That's not to say that they would not defend themselves or even just knock someone out if angered bad enough but the consequences can be ugly. Most fights between men who are strangers are over something really stupid or insignificant, usually ego.
I don't want to hurt someone and I don't want to get hurt. A few years ago, I considered training in MMA and entering some "smokers" which are short bouts w/ headgear and gloves for amateurs from various martial arts studios to compete against one another. I have friends who have done it and had fun. I thought that maybe I was the toughest white-haired, middle-aged 170 lb. dude in town and it would be entertaining to "open up a can of Minnesota" on some unsuspecting fool in the chain link arena. Since I'm the world's worst procrastinator, I never did it. Plus, I'm waaay too lazy for the necessary training. Who knows? Maybe I would have gotten put in a coma or paralyzed and be posting here by blinking my eyes to a fat nurse who takes dictation.
Even in the infamous slapping incident that earned my (bad) rep around here, I was not the instigator. I was having a verbal discussion with some guy, (and being reasonable IMO), when he jumped up in my face and I reacted by hitting him with a round-house biotch slap that basically rebooted his ECU. Those situations are to be avoided. My criticism of the OP was that I think that he instigated the situation, albeit perhaps unwittingly. :cool:
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Originally Posted by nostatic
(Post 5221560)
+1
It takes two to tango. And never underestimate the need of a male ego to flex itself, especially in front of a woman.
We never did get a pic of the woman involved in this little soirée.
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Originally Posted by speeder
(Post 5221582)
Might have been dipping his pen in company ink, as the old saying goes.
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Originally Posted by nostatic
(Post 5221588)
I don't necessarily think that is the case, but if there is a reasonably cute woman around and the male ego is even slightly threatened, things tend to go south quickly. The whole peacock thing is genetic...
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Originally Posted by nostatic
(Post 5221749)
Lots of people who were "within their rights" that now are dead or in jail.
Stupid decisions generally get stupid results. Discretion is the better part of valor. But ymmv and obviously does.
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Originally Posted by speeder
(Post 5222285)
Around here, we call someone a douche bag directly by name, (or at least handle). None of this 3rd person/blind item crap.
Man card revocation pending. :cool:
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Originally Posted by speeder
(Post 5222335)
I completely understand, (and respect), this rationale. I have been sucker-punched as well and have a life-long scar above my eye to show for it. My only comment or difference would be that to an experienced fighter such as yourself, a true sucker-punch must come out of left field. Once someone is face-to-face with me and showing aggression, a sucker-punch is no longer possible. Unless they are Bruce Lee, they have to load-up. Unless it's Uma Thurman delivering the 5-step/5-fingers of death, there is plenty enough warning for me.
One key point is to never let someone get into the strike zone when having a verbal confrontation. I don't care if you are Sugar Ray Leonard, you cannot sucker-punch me from across the room. Shaun actually moved himself into this guy's strike zone and put himself into an indefensible situation once they were eyeball-to-eyeball. I'm sure that the other guy closed the final gap that allowed the head-push but at that point you have lost all field of vision and will not see the *sucker-knee* to the groin or uppercut to the chin that leads to a very painful nap when someone breaks your bones while you are unconscious. Very stupid and usually done by someone with zero fighting experience or ability. When someone jumps into my face during a verbal confrontation, if they are lucky they will get a hard push-off or a biotch slap. If they're lucky. If I take their threat more seriously, it will be an uppercut or a forearm to the mouth. The key is to avoid/prevent that situation in the first place and it's almost always avoidable.
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