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craigster59 03-06-2010 10:47 AM
In the end, it all boils down to simple economics:

Shaun hits the guy, he loses a 911

Sniper hits the guy, he only loses a 928

campbellcj 03-06-2010 11:10 AM
Interesting dilemma. Letting the police deal with it was the right call IMHO. I would also file for a restraining order. And make sure my alarm is working properly. And keep some sort of defensive weapon within reach for a while.

Also, I would be very hesitant to fire the woman (GF). Worse case you could end up getting sued by both of them if things really went sour. If she is actually a temp working for a temp agency, file a report with them ASAP to get the incident on record, along with any concerns or complaints about work performance.

Trying to be a hero vigilante sounds cool on web boards like this, but in the real world most of us just have too much to lose and too little to gain from reacting in a risky fashion to a sketchy situation. The other parties however have little to lose and potentially a lot to gain...your $$$

scottmandue 03-06-2010 11:29 AM
Dennis... don't hold back... tell us how you really feel... SmileWavy

shinrai 03-06-2010 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by craigster59 (Post 5221154)
in the end, it all boils down to simple economics:

Shaun hits the guy, he loses a 911

sniper hits the guy, he only loses a 928
:d:d:d

Heel n Toe 03-06-2010 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BeyGon (Post 5221126)
Retrospectively looking back with hindsight...
Oh, no you didn't. :eek:

BeyGon, that one had to be reported to the Department of Redundancy Department... it's a triple infraction... very rare... congrats. :)

GH85Carrera 03-06-2010 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by craigster59 (Post 5221154)
in the end, it all boils down to simple economics:

Shaun hits the guy, he loses a 911

sniper hits the guy, he only loses a 928
+10000

:d:d:d

BeyGon 03-06-2010 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Heel n Toe (Post 5221265)
Oh, no you didn't. :eek:

BeyGon, that one had to be reported to the Department of Redundancy Department... it's a triple infraction... very rare... congrats. :)
I'm glad someone liked it. Sometimes I wonder if anyone even reads my posts. Tabs says he doesn't.

mossguy 03-06-2010 02:51 PM
Hey Dean! I read your posts! Sometimes i agree with you and sometimes I don't.

Best,
Tom

scottmandue 03-06-2010 03:11 PM
I disagree with all of you!!! But I'm too much of a wuss to say so! :p

BeyGon 03-06-2010 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mossguy (Post 5221413)
Hey Dean! I read your posts! Sometimes i agree with you and sometimes I don't.

Best,
Tom
That's cool, I don't even get 50/50 around home.

nostatic 03-06-2010 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BeyGon (Post 5221455)
That's cool, I don't even get 50/50 around home.
To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, half the people read what you post, half the people don't, and the other half don't care. :D

m21sniper 03-06-2010 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by craigster59 (Post 5221154)
In the end, it all boils down to simple economics:

Shaun hits the guy, he loses a 911

Sniper hits the guy, he only loses a 928
Is no one here but me actually familiar with the term "self defense?"

m21sniper 03-06-2010 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by lisa_spyder (Post 5220267)
C'mon snipe,

This douchebag tried to intimidate Shaun with some choice language and a soft head butt...all with the only witness being his gf downstairs. Now if Shaun had retaliated he would have to prove reasonable grounds surely? And use reasonable force to 'defend' himself? So, maybe a soft head butt back; eh? Then the guy falls down the stairs, ends up a quad and the whole legal merry go round starts and Shaun loses what he's worked so hard to get. So, he'll feel like the MAN you think he should feel like for a little while....until the vulture-lawyers circle and then he's made to suffer for a long time financially and emotionally. It's just not a WIN; don't you see?

As for any thug being able to torment any of us and just get away with it? It's all about degrees...if some bastard tried to seriously harm me or more importantly one of 'mine' they would definitely get what was coming to them and then some. There is a point where you don't care about getting sued or spending some time in lock-up; that point is when your life is threatened or your kids are in serious danger...for me anyway. Particularly if anyone hurts my kids; they will be toast if I get even half a chance. That is when I would lose it...but not before.
Honestly if he had beaten him severely enough the guy would never, ever come back.

Especially if he did it in front of the guy's woman. That's just the reality on the street.

You want someone to leave you alone you don't get a restraining order, you beat them within an inch of their life and then beat them a half inch more.

m21sniper 03-06-2010 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by GWN7 (Post 5220371)
Scenario Three: m21sniper is replaced with Shaun

Leos get a call for shots fired. They arrive to find a woman crying and screaming at the bottom of the stairs and a male at the top of the stairs with two holes in him. He's dead. They disarm m21sniper and take his statement. "He head butted me, so I defended myself"

Then make note that there isn't a mark on m21sniper.

When the Gf calms down they take her statement. She says "My boyfriend was talking to my boss about money I was owed and they got really close and then my boss shot him"

m21sniper is then charged with manslaughter. Which after a long legal battle being represented by Dewey Cheatum & How he gets off the charges. (see I'm pulling for you) :)

But he's bankrupt from paying the bill from Dewey Cheatum & How and his spoons were all confiscated while the trial went on and not stored properly and have rusted. Green ammo :(

.................................................. .................................................. ..............................................

Scenario four: Shaun does what he did and no one looses. He mails the temp a cheque for the $12 he owes her and includes a note that says "Thanks, but your services are no longer needed." Then goes on with his life.

.................................................. .................................................. ................................................

And m21sniper the point you missed is that there was no witnesses to the alleged assault. The only other person there was the temp and I'm sure she would back up what ever her Bf said, so Shaun would be screwed.

Couple of other things... typing in big bold letters is like shouting in a argument, it doesn't prove your right, it just proves that you can shout.

About calling me "inattentive", "cowardly" or a "sheep" would be like me saying you couldn't hit the barn door with a spoon unless you threw it and we all know that isn't true. :)
Why would i ever pull a spoon on someone for head butting me when a simple asshwhipping would be perfectly sufficient? :-P

I've been in these he said she saids before. The cops believe whoever is credible. Even if they don't believe you, the worst- the absolute worst- you are looking at is a night in jail.

Big deal.

nostatic 03-06-2010 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 5221497)
Is no one here but me actually familiar with the term "self defense?"
This is why you get in fights. You have a totally warped definition of terms, and/or have an ego that is so fragile you need to take a swing when it is mildly threatened.

Someone invading your personal space isn't an attack. The results of Shaun's incident show that there was nothing to defense against. The whole thing essentially is a male pissing match and showdown of egos. If someone is man enough to walk away from that, or better yet, avoid it in the first place, then there is no confrontation.

For me, the time to fight is when there is no other choice. That's what I've been taught. Luckily I haven't hit that situation, and I've been in some *very* sketchy times/places.

McLovin 03-06-2010 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 5219534)
I've been in over 100 fist fights,
That's more fights than Muhammad Ali. And Sugar Ray Leonard. Combined!

speeder 03-06-2010 04:06 PM
Thing is, physical confrontations are to be avoided at all costs. To many bad possible outcomes and a lot to lose. I know some really, really tough guys who are long-since retired from brawling because they wanted to quit while they were ahead. That's not to say that they would not defend themselves or even just knock someone out if angered bad enough but the consequences can be ugly. Most fights between men who are strangers are over something really stupid or insignificant, usually ego.

I don't want to hurt someone and I don't want to get hurt. A few years ago, I considered training in MMA and entering some "smokers" which are short bouts w/ headgear and gloves for amateurs from various martial arts studios to compete against one another. I have friends who have done it and had fun. I thought that maybe I was the toughest white-haired, middle-aged 170 lb. dude in town and it would be entertaining to "open up a can of Minnesota" on some unsuspecting fool in the chain link arena. Since I'm the world's worst procrastinator, I never did it. Plus, I'm waaay too lazy for the necessary training. Who knows? Maybe I would have gotten put in a coma or paralyzed and be posting here by blinking my eyes to a fat nurse who takes dictation.

Even in the infamous slapping incident that earned my (bad) rep around here, I was not the instigator. I was having a verbal discussion with some guy, (and being reasonable IMO), when he jumped up in my face and I reacted by hitting him with a round-house biotch slap that basically rebooted his ECU. Those situations are to be avoided. My criticism of the OP was that I think that he instigated the situation, albeit perhaps unwittingly. :cool:

nostatic 03-06-2010 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 5221543)
Even in the infamous slapping incident that earned my (bad) rep around here, I was not the instigator. I was having a verbal discussion with some guy, (and being reasonable IMO), when he jumped up in my face and I reacted by hitting him with a round-house biotch slap that basically rebooted his ECU. Those situations are to be avoided. My criticism of the OP was that I think that he instigated the situation, albeit perhaps unwittingly. :cool:
+1

It takes two to tango. And never underestimate the need of a male ego to flex itself, especially in front of a woman.

We never did get a pic of the woman involved in this little soirée.

speeder 03-06-2010 04:29 PM
Might have been dipping his pen in company ink, as the old saying goes.

nostatic 03-06-2010 04:37 PM
I don't necessarily think that is the case, but if there is a reasonably cute woman around and the male ego is even slightly threatened, things tend to go south quickly. The whole peacock thing is genetic...


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