Follow up to DWI manslaughter, Dec 25th, 2008

[Turboo934]

The kid that killed my son never served a day. Driving on a restricted license had left the scene to avoid sobriety test. 6 months later involved in another accident while high, and he walked. No justice in this world.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by BeyGon

and she will get out in 4 to 6 years.

If someone did that to a family member of mine, I would be feeding them to some pigs in about 4-6years.

Wait, this is Texas we are talking about, would be gators instead of pigs

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by Turboo934

The kid that killed my son never served a day. Driving on a restricted license had left the scene to avoid sobriety test. 6 months later involved in another accident while high, and he walked. No justice in this world.

Man that's horrible.

Injustice, it's what's for dinner.

[Rikao4]

with T on this..
do this to my family..
your DEAD!
I would have nothing to lose..
I would spend every minute of the day figuring out how to get you..
and when I do...
I'm taking you and some of yours with me..
everybody comfy..

Rika

[TSNAPCRACKLEPOP]

44 arrested at the DUI checkpoint last night in the drinking area of town, Westport. How can people be so stupid?

[Rikao4]

because little to nothing happens..
that's why..

Rika

[TSNAPCRACKLEPOP]

estimated costs for a dui in KS and MO is about $20,000 over the next ten years.( fines, even if pled down, dui school expenses, SR22 high risk insurance. One of those states has a mandatory weekend included.

[A930Rocket]

Is that Westport CT? I used to live there until 1976. There were probably 5 cops on duty back then. Was a great little town, but I'd probably not recognize it now.

44 arrested at the DUI checkpoint last night in the drinking area of town, Westport. How can people be so stupid?

[Rick Lee]

I'm happy they got those drunks off the road. But sobriety checkpoints are a gross violation of the 4th Amendment and the SCOTUS even admitted it when they ruled that safe roads overrode our rights against unreasonable search and seizure. If I ever get stopped for one, I will be sure to waste a LOT of their time.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by BeyGon

OK, but you have to believe these kids weren't kidnapped, they were in the car willingly, it is too bad but they could have told the guy to slow down, or, maybe they did, we will never know.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but the kids were killed in a car where the driver was sober. They were doing the right thing and the drunk hit them.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

I'm happy they got those drunks off the road. But sobriety checkpoints are a gross violation of the 4th Amendment and the SCOTUS even admitted it when they ruled that safe roads overrode our rights against unreasonable search and seizure. If I ever get stopped for one, I will be sure to waste a LOT of their time.

I just hate it when cops do sneaky stuff to take drunks off the road, catch criminals, etc. If you are sober and without illegal items in the car then checkpoints shouldn't bother you. With no reflection on Rick or anyone else that has posed, it just seems that there are too many members of DAMM: Drunks Against Mad Mothers crying about rights these days. Have your life impacted by a drunk driver and then lets talk.

If the checkpoint becomes a fishing expedition for other information without reasonable suspicion then I would agree. The law does allow for an individual's rights to be curtailed for the greater good of society. Remember, you can't cry "movie" in a crowded fire! (yes I know I said it bass-ackwards)

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

I just hate it when cops do stuff to take drunks off the road. If you are sober and without illegal items in the car then checkpoints shouldn't bother you.

I just hate it when the state is supposed to abide by the Constitution and only stop you once they have probable cause of a crime having been committed. Call me old fashioned.

You probably think it's fine to search people's houses for no reason too, eh? Hey, as long as you have nothing to hide, what's the problem, right? Yuh papuhs pleeze!

[Por_sha911]

Driving a vehicle on a public road is not a right but a privilege. Checkpoints are not for illegal search and seizure but to monitor the conditions of the drivers. We are not talking about searching private property.
"Yuh papuhs pleeze!" Sorry, I speak English. Could someone translate that for me?

[Rikao4]

one of our problems was caused because of this..
nobody ask for papers anymore..

Rika

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

Driving a vehicle on a public road is not a right but a privilege. Checkpoints are not for illegal search and seizure but to monitor the conditions of the drivers.

You need to go read up on the SCOTUS ruling on this. Exercising a privilege does not waive one's rights, other than with regard to state implied consent laws. But we're not talking about refusing breathalyzers here. We're talking about unreasonable (aka without probable cause) detention by the state (aka police seizure of vehicle and freedom of movement).

If you are stopped for no reason and the cop just wants to try to get you to consent to a search of your car or say something incriminating, the worst rookie lawyer could get you off because you were stopped without PC. Police need a reason to detain citizens. And the reason has to be specific to each person or vehicle, not just keeping the streets safe for the general public. Do I really have to explain this?

[Rikao4]

cgarr is dealing with this..
had she gone thru a checkpoint before...
she's busted for no Ins.
car pulled of the road..
one down..many to go..
'guest' same..
drunk same..
no problem with this..
none..

Rika

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

Driving a vehicle on a public road is not a right but a privilege. Checkpoints are not for illegal search and seizure but to monitor the conditions of the drivers. We are not talking about searching private property.
"Yuh papuhs pleeze!" Sorry, I speak English. Could someone translate that for me?

He said you're an idiot.

[Tobra]

No, he said it was unconstitutional, and if unconsitutional is okey dokey with you, it is not so much a concern of them going over the line, it is more a matter of erasing the line altogether.



The idiot thing works too though.

[Rick Lee]

You know, the irony is that when the SCOTUS ruled on sobriety checkpoints, they reversed a MI state supreme court ruling that they were unconstitutional. But the SCOTUS ruling left states free to ban sobriety checkpoints, which MI subsequently did. Pretty sad when a state has to pass a law to guarantee your rights because the SCOTUS refuses to do so in their decisions.

[m21sniper]

Well i say good for Michigan. I wish more states would follow suit. I've only seen them a couple times around Philly, and not in the last couple years. I have seen them in the Burbs more recently though.