CCW Class

[legion]

Yes, I know I'm taking a CCW class in a state that does not permit CCW...

Some observations:

-The class has 11 instructors for 20 students. I believe they are all volunteer.
-One instructor is retired FBI and a retired lawyer. He handles mostly the legal aspects.
-One instructor is a Cook County Sheriff's Deputy. He says that he teaches the class to maintain his faith in people.
-On instructor is a smokin' hot late 20 / early 30 something female. I suspect she might be related to one of the other instructors. I always seem to end up with her as my instructor.
-Many of the class members are from Chicago-area police departments. More than one has expressed the idea that safety instruction at their PD is lacking.
-I apparently shoot with a Weaver stance. I'm told this is unusual and rarely taught anymore.

[Jagshund]

I thought Illinois allowed concealed carry but not open?

edit: ah. security, PIs and special circumstances. Looks like Illinois is one of those states that has previous knowledge of when crimes are going to be committed . . .

[legion]

Illinois allows no form of carry whatsoever.

[Jagshund]

I'm gonna keep my mouth shut so this thread stays in OT.

[HunterVonWurst]

So I imagine there is little or no gun violence in IL?

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by HunterVonWurst

So I imagine there is little or no gun violence in IL?

Of course not. It's illegal.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by legion

Illinois allows no form of carry whatsoever.

Unless you are law enforcement or a Chicago Alderman...

[m21sniper]

I prefer weaver stance myself, for many reasons. I'm not a big isosceles guy.

[HHI944]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

I prefer weaver stance myself, for many reasons. I'm not a big isosceles guy.

+1
The list of reasons, when shooting for defensive purposes, could be quite long.

[m21sniper]

Agreed.

For one thing i like the idea of my arm and my thigh providing natural armor for my chest and my nuts.

In isosceles your ding dong is swinging directly in the line of fire, completely unprotected. F all that.

Weaver is also more stable (especially if you rest your inner bicep on your chest), and allows for isometric pressure to be applied to steady the spoon. Isosceles does not. The only advantage i see to isosceles is that it allows a turret action, which could be handy vs multiple short range targets.

In all other ways i prefer Weaver.

[Crowbob]

I would think Weaver presents a smaller target. Of course, in Snipes case, the target with Isosceles is minuscule. Such is the exception to the rule (winking smiley face thing goes here).

[m21sniper]

Weaver does provide the smaller (and more "armored") target as well.

Wink wink right back at you Bob.

[porsche4life]

I'm looking at taking the class here with my room mate when he gets back from the sandbox.... I hear in OK you can take it up to 2yrs before you turn 21..... I need to check into that more tho.... I'll take it with my dads browning challenger most likely....

[s_morrison57]

Still don't get the CCW crap, must be a Yank thing, IMO if you live where you have to feel safe by CCW then its time to move

[HunterVonWurst]

Originally Posted by s_morrison57

Still don't get the CCW crap, must be a Yank thing, IMO if you live where you have to feel safe by CCW then its time to move

Yeah, tell that to the soliders who were shot on a military base by the Muslim nut-whack.

Oh, but wait...it's illegal to carry a concealed weapon on a military base.

Nevermind.

And of course, violent crime NEVER happens in the wealthy/nice parts of town. Never!

[ODDJOB UNO]

Originally Posted by s_morrison57

Still don't get the CCW crap, must be a Yank thing, IMO if you live where you have to feel safe by CCW then its time to move

yeah how bout all those LEGS washing up on the beach there in B.C.



yep B.C. is safe alright. yer very misguided and obviously NOT AWARE OF YER SURROUNDINGS! aka.............THE VICTIM!


the ONLY GAWD DAMN PLACE THATS SAFE is when yer in CONDITION RED(safety off,round in pipe) and it DONT GET NO SAFER THAN THAT ANYWHERE!


HAPPINESS IS A WARM GUN............YES IT IS!



another case of the HAVES and our misguided neighbors(victims) the HAVE NOTS!

[krystar]

yea so yer able to conceal carry in indiana and wisc...once u cross the border heeh.

i was told by rangemaster at willow slough in indiana that, as a IL resident, the possession of a pistol in indiana was not totally legal. however if i were to get a CCW, then it would be ok.

so what are u gonna do with yer CCW permit other than show off the piece of paper? :P

[ODDJOB UNO]

Originally Posted by krystar

yea so yer able to conceal carry in indiana and wisc...once u cross the border heeh.

i was told by rangemaster at willow slough in indiana that, as a IL resident, the possession of a pistol in indiana was not totally legal. however if i were to get a CCW, then it would be ok.

so what are u gonna do with yer CCW permit other than show off the piece of paper? :P

i dont show off my paper nor my piece................aint NOBODYS BIZ but my own unless stopped by a LEO!


the more people that get on this CCW BUS the BETTER! reciprocal laws btwn all states IS THE GOAL! and that my friends will make america a safer place.



cuz da bad guys dont know who in the hell IS PACKING and that will greatly confuse their tired/drug/booze wasted/uneducated MINDS!


and it could quite possibly in a worst case.....................BLOW THEIR MINDS ALL TO HELL! like SHATTERED...........TORN AND TATTERED...........SPLATTERED ALL OVER MANHATTAN(or anywhere)...........sha noobie sha noobie

[Rot 911]

Originally Posted by s_morrison57

Still don't get the CCW crap, must be a Yank thing, IMO if you live where you have to feel safe by CCW then its time to move

Couple of years old, but still worth posting:


Vancouver crowned break-in capital of North America
Last Updated: Friday, December 14, 2007 | 11:49 AM PT
CBC News

A new report has given Vancouver a dubious honour: the highest break-in rate of all major Canadian and American cities, nearly four times that of New York City.

Last year, Vancouver recorded more than 1,100 break-ins per 100,000 residents while New York City had just over 300.

Read more: CBC News - British Columbia - Vancouver crowned break-in capital of North America

[s_morrison57]

ODDJOB
Those legs washing up are just gang related criminals, so really no big deal, so how many people have you shot so far, ever miss and hit somebody else, you ever evan pull your gun? Do you CCW cause your nuts are tiny and your afraid all the time, ie: chicken *****?
Of course there is crime everywhere, even in the rich areas, I don't live there but we have 2 BFS (big Fing Shepards) and the wife has a black belt, plus we are surrounded by stay at home neighbours, the home front is safe and we don't go anywhere where there is a chance of trouble, if it happens then some body gets an a$$ kicking, I've lived on my street for 25 years and there has only been one B&E
The Vancouver area is large but the city of Vancouver is small and it contains China town , the lower East side and Skid row so that stat really doesn't reflect the whole pic and if you read the story we have few violent crimes cause no one CCW, its the BC Bud that brings the crime and talk of decriminalizing is just talk but if it were to happen than I'm sure there would be a drop in the stat that reflects organized crime