can i spray weedkiller in close proximity to my veggie garden?

[vash]

or am i being retarded? my yard looks like crap. despite that, i put a few elevated garden boxes, and everything is growing nicely. i just want to keep the crazy weeds (think; wilderness weeds) down around the boxes.

once my wife finishes school and gets a JOB,, i am fixing EVERYTHING! yard, house, cars...........

but in the meantime..maybe just cover the area with black visqueen?

[Hugh R]

You can spray roundup near veggies, but be careful of drift on to the veggies. Roundup absorbs through the green leafy part of the plant, not through the soil.

BTW, you shouldn't use grass and flower fertilizer on food plants. The other way around is OK.

[trekkor]

I wouldn't/don't do it.

Weed wack or material as a weed block.
'Someday' I'd like to put down some sort of crushed stone over weed barrier to create a path.

A friend of mine lives on a mountain. He has been excavating his own cave/wine celler.
The entire mountainside is volcanic tuff.

I can have as much as I want. 'Someday'.



KT

[vash]

Originally Posted by trekkor

I wouldn't/don't do it.

Weed wack or material as a weed block.
'Someday' I'd like to put down some sort of crushed stone over weed barrier to create a path.

A friend of mine lives on a mountain. He has been excavating his own cave/wine celler.
The entire mountainside is volcanic tuff.

I can have as much as I want. 'Someday'.



KT

trek, is this wine cave "engineered"?

[trekkor]

No. He's bootlegging it. He goes in there with a jackhammer with a shovel attachment and goes for it now and then.

he has an employee that runs the tuff to the dump trailer with a wheelbarrow.
He's been digging for years.


I've been in there. It goes back at least 100 feet by now and the ceiling is domed.
I felt funny inside the cave.


KT

[vash]

Originally Posted by trekkor

No. He's bootlegging it. He goes in there with a jackhammer with a shovel attachment and goes for it now and then.

he has an employee that runs the tuff to the dump trailer with a wheelbarrow.
He's been digging for years.


I've been in there. It goes back at least 100 feet by now and the ceiling is domed.
I felt funny inside the cave.


KT

crazy! no excavation support?

he could kill someone!

[Zeke]

Seems risky to me. Maybe his buddy is a soils engineer.

Back to weed killer: I've been advised that products like Round Up are drawn into plant's roots but can leach out when the plant decomposes. The residue on the surface is going to be attracted by live plants until if become ineffective. Do we know how long that is?

In short, I'd curtail the use of weed killers in the vegetable garden and near by.

Where's Randy when you need him?

[trekkor]

Nope, it's all backwoods...

I wouldn't be surprised if he 'disappeared'.
It would be one of those missing person cases that never gets solved


KT

[Groesbeck Hurricane]

Weed by hand. Or get one of those garden weasle things. No sense in poisoning yourself. I hope you did not use treated lumber/railroad ties to elevate your gardens? Toxins/poisons leach into the soil and then are absorbed into your food.

Wife's side had a family that all died of exotic and incurrable cancers. Parents and all the kids within a short time of each other. The only thing they did different than anyone else was to make a bunch of raised beds for their veggies and strawberries. The railroad ties were cheap and available. The toxins worked slowly on the entire family.

[BRPORSCHE]

Originally Posted by vash

crazy! no excavation support?

he could kill someone!

pfft. Who needs engineering?

No way in h-double ll would I be going into that wine tomb.

[RWebb]

milt - I was out futzing with plants - wacking some & planting others...

it's all an issue of how safe you want to be. I'd pull anything near food plants, but Roundup is the safest pesticide available. Note; I did not say it was really really safe.

If you/wife are young, reproductive or have kids - I'd be more cautious.

If you are 95 then who cares?

BTW - the real (potential) issue with RoundUp is the so-called "inerts" - they are NOT necessarily inert, and may cause or enhance problems for humans. They are still secret as I reall - there were a bunch of big lawsuits on this years ago, but then Monsanto changed the formulations...

FWIW - I use RoundUp in areas away from food plants, but I have no kids around & keep the dog off for a few days.

I HAVE used the real nasties before on lawns that are way infested with dandelions & other plants I don't like. I do NOT use it myself, I hire somebody. I do NOT let them weed & feed all in one mix. Instead, I have them spray using a machine with containment flaps; meanwhile I am gone when they first arrive & I take a nice 1-2 week vacation. I then stay off of it for a while & keep the dog off too. I have it fertilized with organic ferts. when possible (Oregon allows toxic metals in fertilizer(!) but Wash. state prohibits that).

next year, I revert to spot appl. of nasties or use RoundUp and just figure some grass will get killed too.

2nd & beyond years, I was able to pull all the remnants.

[vash]

thanks everyone. reading that label on the back of a bottle of roundup..crap. i'm no chemist.

i imagine they spray that stuff all over our soybeans!! i'll pull, and cover with black plastic. the weeds are very tough. some hot, darkness may be the easiest way.

[vash]

and trek (about to hijack my own thread).

cave excavations are crazy unpredictable. you have to contend with groundwater, gases, cave-in's..and ventilation. your friend is insane. when the ground goes, it rarely sends out a early warning..it just goes. any early warning, is swelling or underground guys call it "convergence". we measure it with survey equipment.

[Burnin' oil]

I have some goodies that will kill whatever you want killed and will not let anything grow back.

I have zero concerns about using roundup near veggies.

[trekkor]

your friend is insane.

Correct.

I haven't heard from him in a while...


KT

[ckissick]

As a geotech, I've designed a few wine caves, including the largest one in Napa Valley, in the hills to the east. It was in the volcanic tuff. Some of it is excellent, needing little or no support. Then it can change quickly to crap with no strength at all. It's obvious when you find the crappy 'rock'.

[trekkor]

My friend's cave in in Angwin, Above St Helena.



KT

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by vash

thanks everyone. reading that label on the back of a bottle of roundup..crap. i'm no chemist.

i imagine they spray that stuff all over our soybeans!! ...

correctamento - Monsanto has produced geneticly modified crops that resist Roundup (glyphosate) and sell those and Roundup to farmers, who then hose down the entire landscape with it.

BUT... evolution happens. Many weeds are now resistant too.

BTW - even a top chemist cannot figure out what is up anymore. You need a whole team of enviromental toxicologists, developmental biologists, biochemists, etc. - and they need millions of $$ and lots and lots of time to figure out a rough estimate of possible harms.

You have thousands of new chemicals and many can interact with each other to produce worse effects than one of them alone.

Then there are the sub-lethal effects caused by chronic exposure (as vs. lethal effects caused by acute exposure)...

None of this stuff is very well tested, and instead we have a huge experiment that is being performed on the US population, and I suspect our children will curse us for it.

[WolfeMacleod]

Originally Posted by RWebb

correctamento - Monsanto has produced geneticly modified crops that resist Roundup (glyphosate) and sell those and Roundup to farmers, who then hose down the entire landscape with it.

.

Remember the great Bee die-off a few years ago? Well, it's happening again.
Couldn't it be that the bees are being poisoned by all these Round-Up ready crops that are sprayed so heavily?
Or perhaps the pollen in the crops is somehow toxic to them?