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The OP asked which was better an AR or an AK. He did not ask whether we think he "needs" one. He does apparently want one. I wanted one also several years ago even though I do not really "need" it. Same holds true for "most" of my gun collection.
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I think I am violating California law just by reading this thread.
What's it like to actually have the option of buying an AK or an AR?
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between the two..AR platform. infinintely mod-able.
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Ak 47 vs Ar15
How about an AR in .308 (AR10)?
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boing!
6.8 would be nice too.
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Freedom? I've already reported Vash to the authorities for expressing an opinion on ASSAULT guns. That should get me enough credits to offset the demerits I received for reading this thread.
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12-15-2010, 10:21 AM
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Having shot both, I would say AR. The AK is very good at firing lots of rounds.... But like they said, good luck hitting anything...
Same rings true for the VZ58..... My roommate had a really odd gun collection. 2 ARs, a VZ58, Ak, Dragunov, and a whole mess of Mosins.... |
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12-15-2010, 10:24 AM
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Cliff,
How about a rig that'll do 5.56, 6.8, 7.62x39 and 5.45x39...you just gotta carry around barrels, bolts and mags for the quick change 
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12-15-2010, 10:38 AM
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ARs are like LEGO. You can do whatever the hell you want with them, and they'll be pretty danged accurate. No special tools required.
I'm a bigger fan of the .308 AR (AR-10, SR-25, etc.) platform than the AR-15. I get 1/2 MOA out of my .308 AR off the bipod and I recently ran it through a 2-day class in dusty, grimy conditions without a hiccup. Without cleaning. You aren't going to do that with a FAL, AK, lever gun, or anything else short of a REALLY FRIKKIN' EXPENSIVE M1A or a decent bolt action. Oh, and if you like .50 BMG, they make an AR upper for that too.  Zel Custom Mfg
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12-15-2010, 11:50 AM
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Blue - what length barrel on your .308? I'm building a MA-TEN and was thinking 18" DPMS SASS barrel.
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12-15-2010, 12:05 PM
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I have shot both the AK and AR platforms in competition. The AR triggers can be made much better by dropping a Timney in the lower. The AK trigger will always be a two-stage, I think. Its easy to mount optics on the AR. The AK is reliable and shoots reasonably well out to about 300 yards. The AR can double that distance.
I have both the .308 AP4 and the 5.56 carbine, both by DPMS. They have been reliable and accurate weapons. If all hell breaks loose, the .308 is the one that sits in the gun safe with the light and Eotech, with a bunch of loaded magazines. The AR is used for 3 Gun and does that game well. It is fun to shoot but carries half the power of the .308. That is one benefit the AK has over the AR; better energy downrange than a .22. My $0.02. Troy
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i need to move to arizona
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I'm thinking of having it cut down to 18 or 20", re-crowned, and threaded for fun attachments. .308 gets a complete burn at 20"... 18" loses only maybe 30 fps off of a 20" barrel.That MA-TEN part looks nice. The best thing about it is that you can use the MagPul .308 mags. They are the bee's knees, IMHO. I have a Timney 3# trigger in mine. Absolutely the best upgrade I have ever made to an AR, and it takes about 10 minutes to install. Vash: Come on out. If you're not afraid of rattlers, coyotes, and drug cartels we'll take you out to where you can stretch out to 1000 yards.
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I waited to build a .308 AR...waited for Magpul to come out with a mag
. I'll probably get the 18" barrel, but I wonder what kind of accuracy I'd get with it compared to the 24"'barrel. On topic, I debated getting an AK, but now that there are better options with a .308 AR, it was an easy decision. |
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My little wimpy 16" barrel on my .308 AP4 shoots minute of angle. Considering what it is, I'm please with that. That's with a handload using 147 FMJs! Pretty good considering the projectile.
You know, they say, barrel length has no affect on accuracy. Just velocity. Troy
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I'd like to add a AR to my collection, currently have my Browning A5 Lt 12 ( Belgium ) for bird hunting, a Marlin 336 30. 30. since I was a kid and a cool Remington 11-87 Special purpose auto 12, all Camo with strap that my best friend gave me. He received the camo 12 as a gift, given to him by General Norman Schwarzkopf after a duck hunt years ago.
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the debate of AR vs AK is like > what kind of oil should I use? It is endless....
The two weapons > one USA designed with tight tolerances[and therefore improved accuracy] is going to be more accurate - to a point - out to about 400m > unless you are a Marine > and those guys can hit center of mass with an M-16 to about 600+ meters.. The AK is the most prolific weapon in the world >> why? cause the thing functions under the most grueling conditions > tolerances are bigger > weapon is typically less accurate that a AR ..It was designed as a combat weapon.. Having said all that > I have a Norinko MAC-90 > it's a pretty accurate weapon > I've only shot it at a 100m range > but it shoots good ... It's reallly a toss up.. If I had ONLY one weapon available > I'd go with the AK
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