Another execution-by-police

[silverwhaletail]

Originally Posted by Tobra

^This^ sort of contradicts your earlier "F these poor people in these poor neighborhood," statement.

Were you just being histrionic earlier?

"sort of" contradicts???

I was just trying to point out the street cop's lose/lose situation mandated upon him by political policy makers and community "organizers."

They demand law enforcement. But not TOO MUCH law enforcement.

They complain about neglect, and then complain about attention.

They point to isolated incidents (when compared against the literally hundreds of thousands of police/citizen contacts that occur everyday) in which the street cop makes a mistake or a bad decision and then they are outraged and immediately demand the officer's blood. Due Process, comrades, is not for the wretched policeman.

I will say this and then probably shut up on this thread:

Serving a search warrant is a completely different animal than simply rolling out into traffic for another patrol shift.

When that Officer gathered up his Kevlar Helmet, body armor, comm gear and other equipment, just prior to leaving the station on his way to serve that search warrant, it is very likely that he paused, just before he closed the door to his locker.

Looking back at him, inside that locker, was a picture of his wife and his little girl.

I'd be willing to bet that he took an extra second or two before slamming that locker door closed.

Cold Blooded Murderer??? or just a Husband/Dad trying to do a job to the best of his ability?

You tell me...

[scoe911]

Originally Posted by Tobra

^This^ sort of contradicts your earlier "F these poor people in these poor neighborhood," statement.

Were you just being histrionic earlier?

No, I doubt it... (IMO) he was just being honest...but now with the weight of public opinion upon himself he now makes quotes from the bible?....Look, its not just about jaded police,search warrants,drugs and crime. These are all "symptoms" of a bigger problem involving the lack of access to the "American Dream"... Now who wants to talk about that?...

[scoe911]

Originally Posted by silverwhaletail

The duty of a police officer is to stand up for those who are unable to stand up for themselves, whatever the reason and without question. .

A step in the right direction...

[Rikao4]

folks have access..
it's how bad do you want too change it..
your proof of that..
but some prefer shortcuts and the easy way..
and it's always easier to blame someone..
rather than the guy in the mirror..

Rika

[nynor]

watching that video reminded me of playing call of duty. that cop went into the house, shooting anything that moved. murder.

[scoe911]

Originally Posted by Rikao4

folks have access..
it's how bad do you want too change it..
your proof of that..
Rika

OK Rika.. lets take the schools in these areas for example. The people (kids) in poor neighborhoods don't receive the same education as people in "real"communities. Why, because of the insufficient "tax base" the schools cant attract the top teachers nor do these schools have the same recourses or equipment..this is just one example...

[nynor]

sounds like a cock sparrer song: blame the drugs, blame the system, blame the church, blame the schools, but don't blame me!

[scoe911]

I will say this again... vested "ownership" in a particular area forms the basis for a healthy functioning "community".

[Gogar]

Originally Posted by silverwhaletail

Due Process, comrades, is not for the wretched policeman.

No, it certainly isn't. The policeman gets sent home, with pay, for a few weeks, gets 'cleared' by his peers, and comes back to work. 11 times out of 10. Just like this guy did, even though it's the SECOND time this has happened to him. ( I admit the first time was a bit more clear-cut situation, perp had a gun, pointed it at the cop.)

Originally Posted by silverwhaletail

Looking back at him, inside that locker, was a picture of his wife and his little girl.

Tell it to "golf club guy"s mom.

[Crowbob]

Or silver,

Just before that officer closed the door to his locker he muttered to a picture of his fallen comrade, "I'm gonna get me a perp for you tonight, bro."

Just as likely. You tell me...

[widebody911]

Originally Posted by nynor

watching that video reminded me of playing call of duty. that cop went into the house, shooting anything that moved. murder.

Police Force - best 3-D FPS evar!

[Jeff Higgins]

Before this gets lost in the background noise and obfuscation taking hold in this thread, let's remember one very imortant point - these officers knew their suspect had moved out, yet they elected to carry out their commando raid anyway. They had the badges, they had the guns, they had the warrant, and they had total impunity for their actions. They sure as hell were not going to waste that.

No one is arguing the need for this kind of police action. There are certainly violent, well armed sociopathic criminals out there among us. Most are endlessly cycled through a catch and release program brought upon us by the hand wringing ninnies of our society who seem to be more worried about the criminals' childhoods than the victims' futures. God bless the men and women who go after these people in an effort to bring them to justice.

Unfortunately, today, we see these tactics originally developed for and employed only against such violent offenders being missused, overused, by overzealous Rambo wannabes. They appear to live in some sort of fantasy land where a full-on military style assault is appropriate for serving the lowest level warrants or capturing the lowest level petty criminals. And, under our present conditions, they get to play out those fantasies.

That appears very much the case in this particular incident. These cops had no reason to go to that house, knowing their suspect had moved out. Yet they did anyway. They wanted some excitement, had a valid ticket, and were not going to squander it. Their obvious eagerness to play cost an innocent citizen his life.

[Rikao4]

busing them to great schools didn't work ..
throwing $$ at the problem didn't work..
around here the $$ schools district have to give to the poor ones ..
= little or nuthin..
it's a mind set ..IMO..
most folks that made it out had one thing in common..
a tough Mom & working dad (maybe on the dad..at least for me)..
a kid trying to get out of the slums Detroit & ahead..
is sure to be called a wannabee cracker..
by his friends & some members of his family..
= just accept , blame the man,have another baby or Malt..

Rika

[scoe911]

Its a paradox...I will admit as much. you cant get out... no access and no access... you cant get out... Humm. I wonder whom or what created this situation?

[1990C4S]

Originally Posted by artplumber

So how long will it be b4 home invaders/burgulars yell "warrant!" before they try to bust through the door?

Apparently less than 24 hours.

Three men disguised as police suspected in Ontario home invasion - The Globe and Mail

They wore bulletproof vests, police ball caps and drove a vehicle with a siren and flashing red light. They even claimed to have a search warrant. To most anyone, they seemed like policemen.

But investigators say the three men were impersonating police in an effort to rob a gated home in Ajax, Ont.

.....

“If you’re somewhat equipped and you do appear to have legitimate equipment and you are very forceful in identifying yourself as [police], people have a trust factor and unfortunately something like this … tends to lessen the integrity or the trust,” she said. “It’s quite disturbing that way in terms of the impact on society, creating doubt where there shouldn’t be.”

If people have misgivings about whether someone is a police officer, Sgt. van Rooy said they should ask to see the officer’s metal badge and photo identification card.

I made the last part green because he couldn't be serious....

[Rot 911]

Originally Posted by nynor

i just watched the video. that was murder. pure and simple.

Absolutely. And for all of you that support the cops in this video, I hope what happened to the victim happens to you sometime. Let's see how sympathetic your surviving family is to the cops. Or hell, maybe it will be your teenage son or daughter they shoot. Then you can appear in the media telling the public how they deserved to be shot.

[silverwhaletail]

Originally Posted by 1990C4S

Apparently less than 24 hours.



If people have misgivings about whether someone is a police officer, Sgt. van Rooy said they should ask to see the officer’s metal badge and photo identification card. [/I]

I made the last part green because he couldn't be serious....

Or simply have the people call 911 and ask the dispatcher if the police are at their address.

[nynor]

per this example, they are already dead. they might throw the phone, or it may be 'mistaken' for a gun or sword or knife.

[Joe Bob]

Again, there was NO VALID reason for a no knock unless the affidavit was a pack of lies.

[Burnin' oil]

One second, there is nobody in the hallway. A second later, Blair is through the hallway and partially into the living room with the golf club raised like he's at bat. He is moving toward the cops. Those are FACTS. I don't know if the shooting was justified because I don't have all of the FACTS. Should the shooter have let Blair hit him a few times with the club? Who knows.