Another execution-by-police

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by jyl

Here is the latest police shooting in my neck of the woods.

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A police officer, an excellent one apparently, pulls over an SUV and is shot multiple times by the driver, who is at large in a wooded area of coastal Oregon and being hunted by SWAT teams. The officer is in the hospital, survival uncertain. It was apparently a routine traffic stop, like the dozens he probably did every week. The suspect was a normal-looking white guy. Every and any contact an officer makes with a member of the public can potentially end with his death. When we put soldiers in that situation for limited tour of duty in Iraq or Vietnam, the result is that sometimes people are killed who maybe shouldn't have been, by young men who we nonetheless respect, as a group, for their service. When we put police officers in that situation for year after year, I believe it is unrealistic for us to expect that the same thing won't sometimes happen, and unjustified for us to withhold our respect for that group of men.

I agree 100%. I do hope, however, that you can discern the difference between this sort of tragic chance encounter and when the cops actually go looking for it.

In the case under discussion, the police elected to elevate the risk with their use of the no-knock raid. On a non-violent petty drug dealer, for God's sake. The cops were willing to put at risk the lives of everyone in that house, and their own, for a petty, non-violent drug dealer. And, in the end, they knew he had moved out before they even went to serve the warrant. Why would they proceed anyway, putting innocent peoples' lives at risk, knowing full well their suspect had moved? Why?

We need to stay focused on the fact that we began discussing this extraordinary situation, not the day to day hazards of their jobs. In this case, and cases like it, they crossed the line. No one is begrudging them the good work they do 99% of the time. But when they make a series of well considered, conscious decisions to unnecessarily elevate the use of force to the extreme witnessed here, resulting in the loss of an innocent man's life, something is gravely wrong. They need to be held accountable when they do things like this.

[silverwhaletail]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Mrs. Whaletail in happier times:

In some cultures, that's called "Keepin' your Pimp Hand strong."

AND you have no proof that the guy demanding his dinner was an Irish guy. It's possible that she is into "diversity." So MAYBE you have it wrong on a few levels.

[silverwhaletail]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

I agree 100%. I do hope, however, that you can discern the difference between this sort of tragic chance encounter and when the cops actually go looking for it.

In the case under discussion, the police elected to elevate the risk with their use of the no-knock raid. On a non-violent petty drug dealer, for God's sake. The cops were willing to put at risk the lives of everyone in that house, and their own, for a petty, non-violent drug dealer. And, in the end, they knew he had moved out before they even went to serve the warrant. Why would they proceed anyway, putting innocent peoples' lives at risk, knowing full well their suspect had moved? Why?

We need to stay focused on the fact that we began discussing this extraordinary situation, not the day to day hazards of their jobs. In this case, and cases like it, they crossed the line. No one is begrudging them the good work they do 99% of the time. But when they make a series of well considered, conscious decisions to unnecessarily elevate the use of force to the extreme witnessed here, resulting in the loss of an innocent man's life, something is gravely wrong. They need to be held accountable when they do things like this.

right on, Mr. Higgins. I like this post better than any of your other ones. Except for the one of my lazy wife with no makeup. I like that one the best.

p.s. She asked for it.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Mr Higgins, that was a bit uncalled for now, wouldn't you agree?

Not really. It's clear we are dealing with a top-drawer smart ass here, so I thought he might appreciate his sort of sarcastic, off color sense of humor in return. As somewhat of a smart ass myself, I like to think I'm able to recognize others' good work.

[scoe911]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Hey, flatfoot, don't encourage the troll.
Chicks dig cops? I guess some do, that whole thing is likely predicated on the risk connected to the job. I have had to rely on my thick wavy hair, good looks and charm to pick up chicks.

troll.. try as you might tobra there is no way to defend this "way" of thinking period... this guy needs therapy not a gun and badge...

[scoe911]

Originally Posted by silverwhaletail

Chicks dig Cops.

BTW...since you brought your wife into this discussion I think she looks "OK" however she is far from a "dime" were I come from....

[silverwhaletail]

Originally Posted by scoe911

BTW...since you brought your wife into this discussion I think she looks "OK" however she is far from a "dime" were I come from....

Trust me, I agree. I often remind her that she doesn't hold a candle to the fine ass bi-tches in and around Chicago.

If she's not careful, I might fly back to O'Hare, rent a truck, seduce one of them sweet bi-tches with a 2,000 calorie value meal, and haul the big bi-tch back to California!

I've been to Illinois. I know prime beef when I see it.

[jyl]

Yeah, I'm not opining on the particular case that started this thread. I personally think the criminalizing of drugs has gone way too far anyway, and the facts in this case seem even more screwed-up than that.

The case of the Oregon officer who was shot - the suspect is the adult son of someone my wife knows. The mother is distraught, obviously, and it is a topic of conversation in my house. My wife is saying things like "I hope they find him alive" and "he was mentally ill, he needs help". I'm saying things like "I don't really care if he is helped alive or helped dead" and "mental illness defense requires inability to tell right from wrong, the guy fled so he knows the difference". Some contention at home.

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

I agree 100%. I do hope, however, that you can discern the difference between this sort of tragic chance encounter and when the cops actually go looking for it.

In the case under discussion, the police elected to elevate the risk with their use of the no-knock raid. On a non-violent petty drug dealer, for God's sake. The cops were willing to put at risk the lives of everyone in that house, and their own, for a petty, non-violent drug dealer. And, in the end, they knew he had moved out before they even went to serve the warrant. Why would they proceed anyway, putting innocent peoples' lives at risk, knowing full well their suspect had moved? Why?

We need to stay focused on the fact that we began discussing this extraordinary situation, not the day to day hazards of their jobs. In this case, and cases like it, they crossed the line. No one is begrudging them the good work they do 99% of the time. But when they make a series of well considered, conscious decisions to unnecessarily elevate the use of force to the extreme witnessed here, resulting in the loss of an innocent man's life, something is gravely wrong. They need to be held accountable when they do things like this.

[scoe911]

Originally Posted by silverwhaletail

It's possible that she is into "diversity." So MAYBE you have it wrong on a few levels.

Don't tell me you have a problem with that as well...not surprising... BTW, I personally don't date "bi-tches" just women... thanks...

[scoe911]

Originally Posted by silverwhaletail

Trust me, I agree.

B.S....This is another one of your myriad of problems... you don't have the capacity to acquiesce with anyone on anything...

[widebody911]

Originally Posted by scoe911

B.S....This is another one of your myriad of problems... you don't have the capacity to acquiesce with anyone on anything...

With a gun and a badge, why would you need to?

[stomachmonkey]

GIFSoup

[scoe911]

Originally Posted by widebody911

With a gun and a badge, why would you need to?

Thanks... for putting us BOT...

[dhoward]

Originally Posted by jeff higgins

not really. It's clear we are dealing with a top-drawer smart ass here, so i thought he might appreciate his sort of sarcastic, off color sense of humor in return. As somewhat of a smart ass myself, i like to think i'm able to recognize others' good work.

+1
:d

[scoe911]

Some here dismiss this as a joke but empathy for others,the ability to acquiesce a logical counter point... simple things like these make a man a "man"... at least thats how I was raised...

[Gogar]

Originally Posted by scoe911

I think by now my pedigree is well known by most on this forum... I mean I own my own home,trade options,and I drive a Porsche...HELLO

Yeah, you practically own this place, mr 315 posts.

[dhoward]

Dammit, don't quote him...

[scoe911]

Am I not righteous?...in defending myself...YES I AM!... insofar as sitting on the sidelines(got you by a month Gogar)not any more!...thanks.

[scoe911]

Police officer tackles suspect in high-speed chase | Video | abc7chicago.com This is how it should be done... using caution and restraint... yet still getting the bad guy... Proof positive that police can subdue without shooting every suspect...Im surprised police didnt claim that he used the vehicle as a deadly weapon in order to justify shooting him...probably because too many people were watching the chase by that time for them to try it...

[john70t]

Stomachmonkey, that would be The Fonzerelli Jumping The Shark? Would it?