Kubica seriously hurt in Rally

[svandamme]

And as for how frequent they are late, i have no Euro Data, i only have your data to work with...you yourself said 80-90% on time.
That makes it 10-20% of the times late.. That's not rare, that's very frequent for somebody who wants to be competitive

If you count the time penalty for being late, add that to 10-20% of the stages, and it becomes obvious that to be competitive ,
one would have a serious problem with those numbers if one does not speed to try and make it on time those 10-20% of the times he's late.

if you have 10 stages/KP's (not much for an average rally), then you would get 1 or 2 late arrival time penalties...

Hence, time you'de have to make up on the stage.. Either you are one hell of a driver or you aren't winning much rallies.

I know my dad did speed in between stages, but then again, he won 3-4 times a year in Group N when i was a kid...
Frequently beating the lower ranking Group A or Group B cars
And yes he had mechanical difficulties.. afterall , who hasn't when driving Alfa Romeo's on a shoestring budget...

[CurtEgerer]

I think at this point you are arguing just for the sake of it by dissecting everyone's words, rather than having a true conversation about rallying. You win. Bye.

[scottmandue]

I hope Kubica is OK... watching that computer simulation made me shudder... looks very painful.

[svandamme]

If that's how you wanna put it Curt, fine by me.
Just don't forget you started arguing with contradictions not me.
Cannot expect me to not dissect contradicting words now can I?
Try not to contradict if it bugs you to have your words dissected.

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by svandamme

If that's how you wanna put it Curt, fine by me.
Just don't forget you started arguing with contradictions not me.
Cannot expect me to not dissect contradicting words now can I?
Try not to contradict if it bugs you to have your words dissected.

Stijn
Rallys rules forbid speeding between Special Stages, even in Europe.

Do rally drivers speed between stages? Yes, perhaps, almost certainly, but at risk of penalty that will ruin contention for the event. I dont know why you are arguing this, its a matter of fact.

YMMV.

[Noah930]

The speeding in between stages is a bit of a moot point, as it turns out Kubica was actually racing at the time. (How/Why initial reports are always so incorrect is beyond me. Seems like a reporter can just ask: "So was it during the race or not that he crashed?") So sorry for turning this thread into suck a cluster with my original post. Best wishes to Kubica, as it sounds like his injuries were pretty devastating.

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by Noah930

The speeding in between stages is a bit of a moot point, as it turns out Kubica was actually racing at the time. (How/Why initial reports are always so incorrect is beyond me. Seems like a reporter can just ask: "So was it during the race or not that he crashed?") So sorry for turning this thread into suck a cluster with my original post. Best wishes to Kubica, as it sounds like his injuries were pretty devastating.

I dont get it either. Its been stated multiple times in this thread that this crash occured in a Special Stage.

Speeding on transport stages between special stages is, as you say, a moot point. On a transport stage, a rally car is just another car on the road. In fact, to demsontsrate the point, a rally car usually carries its normal insurance when not in a Special Stage.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by stuartj

Stijn
Rallys rules forbid speeding between Special Stages, even in Europe.

Do rally drivers speed between stages? Yes, perhaps, almost certainly, but at risk of penalty that will ruin contention for the event. I dont know why you are arguing this, its a matter of fact.

YMMV.

I argue , because 2 of you keep selling it in a way that is just not true.
no , 800 euro fine has no impact on the outcome of the event.
It's but a slap on the wrist for the likes of Solberg. If he hasn't lost his license (cop did that , not the organizers or FIA rules),they would simply have payed the 800 euro's and laughed about it.

FIA imposes a time penalty for being late, not for 1st time caught speeding
That's a matter of fact. And it means that FIA does change the position of a late comer, but does not change the position of a speeder. FIA , thus favors the speeder.. Fact. 10 secs per minute late at the TC is WAY more painfull for a top competitor then 800 euro's out of the team budget.

And if you want to have an idea how often they run late


http://www.wrc.com/results/2011/rally-sweden/penalties/

http://www.wrc.com/results/2010/rally-sweden/penalties/

http://www.wrc.com/results/2010/vodafone-rally-de-portugal/penalties/

Quite often, trust me , in fact it's the most commen penalty given by fia.
As such they will have been speeding to try and avoid those penalties.. Again, proven by Solberg.
They rather have 800 euro then 10 secs time slapped to their time
800 euro is less then the tires they burn

[john70t]

The rules involved the loss of a driver.
In this case, one.

[svandamme]

hmm, last time i checked, they had found him and he's now in a hospital

And as far as rules involved, i'm quite sure that FIA's rules had nothing to do with that.
If any rules are to blame, it's the laws of physics.
I'm sure Kubica doesn't feel sorry for himself, i think somebody of his caliber has more character then that... which means i'm not going to feel sorry for him either.
He opted in for a high risk sport, not even as his job, but because it's his passion... He's not dead, so there really isn't anything to cry about..