Allow me.

The stuff you wrote in this thread is too ignorant to be true. If you were serious, then you have no business commenting on anything remotely related to guns. It'd be like me lecturing Red Beard on nuclear power, Sammy on refineries or Kaisen on selling cars. You're throwing out all kinds of insults at people who carry guns for lawful, peaceful purposes, which, I realize is common for a lot of SoCal types, but is considered trolling in crowd whose guns knowledge ranks just below their Porsche knowledge. Stick to stuff you know about or be a lurker.

OK . Sorry. In post #37 I meant to say that I now understand the point of "carrying" in the wilderness in some situations. Maybe I didnt make that clear enough. Or maybe Geronimo '74 didn't read that post. I apollogize for any "trolling" and for being "ignorant" in any of my posts. And I certainly didnt mean to insult anyone.

You're a gentleman "Wilhelm".

Actually I did read that post, but as you can also see, my reaction preceeds your post # 37. You were sort of attacking Rick for no obvious reasons other than to pick a fight. and even admitting that you know nothing about the subject and have never been out camping. That is trolling in my book. (And what's up with that German tourist comment??)

Either way, apologies were made, hands were shaken, it's all good.
I'm not one to hold a grudge so case closed for me.

OK ... Good discussion here everyone. All is well !

I carried my HK P7 with 147gr+P FMJ flat nose trail defense rounds at the GC last fall.

Here's a pic of me where you can see my mag pouches sticking out a bit from under my jacket as i'm striking a pose...

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...a/269bc0b9.jpg

Between my PA permit and open carry states, i can carry in something like 40 US states out of 50 (or 52, if your name is Barrack Obama).
There are mountain lions there once you get off the tourist trails. Which I did. And of course the real threat would be a lunatic wanting to make himself infamous by starting a mass shooting spree.

There are also elk, which can be extremely aggressive during the rut season.


I guess they need to impress the German tourists too.

The US is of course such a safe country that no one could ever possibly need a gun here. Well, except for the estimated 3 million legal civilian defensive gun uses (which 95+% of the time do not require a shot to be fired) that occur every year in this country.


Can we stop with the silly leftist utopian "why would anyone ever need a gun" questions now?

Sorry for your loss Eric.

Edit: I see that Wilhelm recanted his trollish statements, good on you sir.

No, not a high percentage. However, most of the crime that does take place is extremely violent.

Example - almost 20 years ago I went camping with teh wife and dogs. Had my glock and AR with me. Parked the truck, we all walked a few miles in. A few days into it, we decide to get the truck, drive to a local spring, and do some swimming. My truck was gone. Called Fish & Game, they come out and take a report. Truck is found 3 weeks later. Turns out it was stolen by a pair of lowlifes that had found 2 young folks camping - a brother and sister. Killed the brother, raped the sister and left her tied up to a tree to die.

If we had been camping with the truck ....

That's an awful story. I hope you got rid of the truck.

I wouldn't be able to drive it again knowing who had been driving it and what they had done.

I'm surprised some of you don't walk around in Kevlar vests.

Over here on the Eastern side of the country, we have a thing called the Appalacian trail. Goes from Maine to Georgia. ( east coast is not all cities and beaches..) Most of the trail is in the deep woods. Very popular for hikers. Also popular for robberies, and also rapes. If I was allowed to carry while hiking it I surely would.

I own 2 of them actually. Bought them for me and my partner for repossession work. Many a night, i was glad to have it on.

I have had some seriously crazy stuff happen to me in the course of repossessing in the ghettos of killadelphia.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...eryAgentRT.jpg

Many of the states the trail runs through are open carry states, and you would be allowed to carry even though your nazi state of new germany denies it's citizens the ability to obtain a CCW permit.

That is the one where they found photos taken by an obvious third party, and the dog was left alive, right?

The Appalacian Trail bit is interesting... has life in the US changed so much in the last decade or so?

Back in the early 90s I did a multi-day solo hike along it (Virginia, Front Royal south to Roanoke; I was a VTech...) ...and it never occured to me.. or any one I discussed it with, that having a fire arm would be of any relevance/ help/ need....

At the time I had a number of 'good olde boys' with whom I would go shooting and hunting and we BS'ed about the trip and despite the time spent discussing it and them loaning me gear a gun was never mentionned....and it was not through lack of familiarity....

Oh.. one thing I did take was a decent first aid kit and had a refresher course on first aid and a sat phone with load of batteries...(cells were pretty poor out here)...

Interesting stuff and whilst I never felt a need to be armed whilst living in the States it was interesting to see how the relationship with guns was so different.

I've done the Appalachian trail, mulit-day hikes in the Rockies, spent a month driving around Mexico - I was never afraid enough to wish I had a weapon. I can't imagine living in such fear in your daily life that you need to have a gun with you to feel secure. It's apparently fairly common - lots of people want to carry guns - I don't know where the fear comes from. I have guns and shoot for fun now and then, but I don't carry them. I just can't relate to that level of foreboding in life.

It's important to carry so we can protect the wimps when the zombies come.

But then again ........


seriously, We need firearms to protect us from a certain gubmint philosophy that wants to take our guns away so they can take everything else.
That's how we keep them under control. They fear us and rightfully so, as we will not alllow them to take over and destroy what this country was designed to be.

You can tell who they are .......

Patrick, it is not fear. Do you have a fire extinguisher in your house?

You do not need to be faster than the fastest Zombie. You do need to be faster than the slowest non-zombie...

Crime in parks
Local News | Crime slowly creeps into parks, forests | Seattle Times Newspaper

Our National Parks – Crime's New Frontier

For info about crime in your city, see your local news or newspaper. I'm pretty sure that murder, rape, robbery, and assault happens in pretty much everyone's town. I also suspect that a lot of folks that end up being victims had probably previously thought "I'm not worried about ______ happening to me."

Do you think those folks that were gunned down including the little girl in the parking lot in AZ were expecting trouble in the grocery store parking lot with the congresswoman?

Prime example! Imagine running into that out in the wilderness! :eek:







J/K Bill. ;):D:D

Absolutely not. I couldn't possibly have a fire at my house. That only happens in the bad parts of town or to other people.