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motion 05-04-2011 05:43 AM

Helicopter down in Bin Laden raid
 
Can anyone ID this thing?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1304516604.jpg

Seahawk 05-04-2011 05:47 AM

From the reports it was an MH-60...the picture, which appears to be the rear stabilator section, is consistent with that.

There are some incongruities, but wrecks of this nature always rearrange the parts.

jeffgrant 05-04-2011 05:47 AM

Really bad Persian rugs, brown in colour.

emcon5 05-04-2011 06:01 AM

Looks like a Pave Hawk to me.

944Larry 05-04-2011 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffgrant (Post 6001496)
Really bad Persian rugs, brown in colour.

I imagine Brown was an appropiate color after what went on in those walls!;)

Skytrooper 05-04-2011 07:46 AM

Definitely an MH-60 tail section. You can see the tail rotor driveshaft going to the right over the top of the wall...couplings still intact.

A930Rocket 05-04-2011 07:55 AM

So what happened? The pilot hang the tail on the wall coming in?

JeremyD 05-04-2011 07:56 AM

http://www.fas.org/man//dod-101/sys/...und/img005.gif

http://www.fas.org/man//dod-101/sys/...0-l_image9.gif

stomachmonkey 05-04-2011 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A930Rocket (Post 6001732)
So what happened? The pilot hang the tail on the wall coming in?

Mechanical failure and they landed it then blew it up before leaving.

Probably why bits of kit are strewn about like that.

Joeaksa 05-04-2011 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffgrant (Post 6001496)
Really bad Persian rugs, brown in colour.

Trust me, the images on the inset parts are green...

Joeaksa 05-04-2011 08:11 AM

Aging fleets had nothing to do with this. This was a combat incident and believe the tail rotor or some part of the helo hit the fence going in.

Does not matter how old or new the critter is when this happens.

kanadary 05-04-2011 10:50 AM

i wonder how they could get so close to the compound without being detected on the way in. we have news copters flying over the house from time to time and its noticable.

ODDJOB UNO 05-04-2011 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kanadary (Post 6002114)
i wonder how they could get so close to the compound without being detected on the way in. we have news copters flying over the house from time to time and its noticable.



on these delta force/seal team helos there is a button in the cockpit, that when pushed...................puts them into "secret squirrel" mode and nobody can hear them and suddenly all identifying numbers/letters become invisible and the fuselage turns black.


the "official" explanation of the helo going down was overnight temps remained high and when helo pilot put it into a hover to allow seal team to rapid descend ropes, helo pilot lost "lift" due to air density.


now if ya believe that, well you'll probably believe the "secret squirrel mode" button in the cockpit story.

m21sniper 05-04-2011 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 6001495)
From the reports it was an MH-60...the picture, which appears to be the rear stabilator section, is consistent with that.

There are some incongruities, but wrecks of this nature always rearrange the parts.

+1, looks like a Crash-hawk.

My sister flew them, and i've ridden the back of dozens of them.

m21sniper 05-04-2011 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kanadary (Post 6002114)
i wonder how they could get so close to the compound without being detected on the way in. we have news copters flying over the house from time to time and its noticable.

Terrain masking also masks sound.

GH85Carrera 05-04-2011 11:07 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1304536029.jpg

Poor goat.

ODDJOB UNO 05-04-2011 11:11 AM

the best explanation since you can bet yer azz they were not yer run of the mill helos..............aka they were "hot rodded" to hell and every last nut bolt was torqued loctited safety wired within an inch of their lives before the mission, helo pilot probably to get seals "fast roping " hop sing mo-fo dropped helo too low and tail rotor impacted wall or building or tree and and it went in.


one of the WORST things and the first to go with NVG(night vision) IS DEPTH PERCEPTION! and that sucks royally.

ODDJOB UNO 05-04-2011 11:12 AM

but the best part.................think about how MUCH MONEY those lil paki kids are gonna make putting all the helo parts they scrounged onto e-bay!

TRE Cup 05-04-2011 12:59 PM

Get yer souveneer bin laden helo bits right here folks

Eric Coffey 05-04-2011 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ODDJOB UNO (Post 6002164)
helo pilot probably to get seals "fast roping " hop sing mo-fo dropped helo too low and tail rotor impacted wall or building or tree and and it went in.

That was my first thought at well. The "expedited" approaches I've seen with those things involve extreme landing flares. The same maneuver may have been attempted in that very short/shallow LZ (WRT obstacles).

Also, after seeing the (other) pics of the tail section floating around, that was clearly not your "run of the mill" Blackhawk either. :cool:


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