F1 Talk?

[livi]

Its a splendid display of high tech orgy and superb reliability but in another sense I feel some degree of excitement has been lost. I also think it is kind of tedious trying to keep up with the constant change of rules. All in all a great spectacle to watch of course.

[Captain Ahab Jr]

Originally Posted by jyl

No 4 cyl. The teams incl Ferrari pushed V6 and got it.

The main reason 4 cyl was discussed because Audi said they would join the grid if the new engine rules went to 4 cyl, now Audi have backed out the teams are now going back to their original engine proposal.

Rev limit will be 12,000 or 15,000, wish it was anything goes including qualifying only engines as that would be fun to watch.

[Amail]

Last year was Absolutely Fantastic™ as far as championships go. SOOO much fun to watch.

This year the racing is good, but too much domination by Heir Vettel. Not that he doesn't deserve it, he's a fast mofo. I think his domination is down to lightning quick qualifying made possible by an aerodynamic miracle machine in clean air. I'm curious to see his racecraft from somewhere besides pole.

I'd like to see some other changes.

1- Go back to ground effects and ditch the other aero. Aero that is inefficient when trailing closely will make for boring racing.

2- Ditch KERS and DRS. Contrived devices meant to overcome the problems inherent with aero racing.

3- Introduce a grudge match race. At the end of the season, the teams choose which race to re-run. Original points are discarded in favor of the grudge match points. If they can't make up their mind, Jack Olsen will decide for them.

[VINMAN]

Used to be a huge fan back in the days of Mansell and Senna. Now ive lost total interest in it. It has become too boring and predictable. Lap after lap of follow the leader

[mph911]

Ricciardo to race for HRT from Silverstone! Even though the car is a peice of $%*t, it will give him a great chance to prove himself, hopefully beat Luizzi in the same car and give the Virgin's and Lotus's a run for their money.
2 Aussie's on the grid!

[nostatic]

I still watch every race and still find it fascinating - you just have to look harder for the interesting bits. As it has been for some time now, pit strategy is a big part of the equation, so if you like the chess aspect it keeps it from being boring.

Silverstone may be interesting. We'll see if the rule change takes another chink out of the RBR armor. The other way to look at it is to consider this a transitional year. Vettel may dominate, but there are some young guns who may develop some serious driving chops.

At any rate, the sound of the engines helps cure my insomnia so I'll tivo it forever

[MotoSook]

Some of you guys must think Vettel is cheating while driving the same car as Webber who isn't the development mule for the team. He's just plain not as good as the kid.

Why hate the guy for being good? Sure we'd like to see the winner change race to race, but hating the fastest guy because the races are less exciting?

Vettel proved he is a good driver in a BMW years ago. Remember?

[herr_oberst]

I'm not going to re read the posts, but this thread has hardly been a hate Vettel soap box. Yeah, he is stinking up the championship, but this year there is great technology at play, in addition to his dominating qualifying and the races.

I wish they would go a little more in depth about that blown undertray; what exactly is the engine doing there? Is one cylinder firing at full throttle to keep the pistons pumping air through the exhaust?

[javadog]

Suppose that instead of closing the throttle butterflies on the intakes, you instead leave them open and cut the fuel and ignition. The result will be that the engine continues to pump air through itself, it just isn't mixed with fuel and burned.

Then, supppose that the exhaust is very hot and you take the further step of injecting a little fuel, in the hopes that it will burn in the exhaust system and increase the airflow.

JR

[MFAFF]

Originally Posted by javadog

Suppose that instead of closing the throttle butterflies on the intakes, you instead leave them open and cut the fuel and ignition. The result will be that the engine continues to pump air through itself, it just isn't mixed with fuel and burned.

Then, supppose that the exhaust is very hot and you take the further step of injecting a little fuel, in the hopes that it will burn in the exhaust system and increase the airflow.

JR

Pretty much it....except that F1 legistates engine torque output in relation to accel pedal angle...

So the 'little fuel burnt' has to be related to accel pedal angle ( i.e. driver input).
The legality is that in this instance the engine is being used solely as an aerodynamic aid and one that alters with time.. so its moving. We all know what the FIa say about arodynamic surfaces moving...not allowed (except for the ones we say can move to make it more of a show!)...

Sadly the real issue is money...the only way to define/refine this is by CFD and this favours big teams... as even windtunnels find it difficult to evalute this.

[herr_oberst]

Okay, that makes sense. Thank you.