Mac Question - Page 2

nota · 08-10-2011, 06:28 PM

why not get a better cheaper non mac
and add OS-10.6 or .7 as a hackintosh
the chips are all the same now by intel

btw the air is a lightweight as a computer to

lendaddy · 08-10-2011, 07:07 PM

I decided to go the easy route, I need a PC soon and the Mac route leaves questions...I don't need questions, just a unit that works.

I went with a Dell (yea I know.....) XPS15Z which is a ultra thin 15" unit (almost the exact same dimensions as a MacBook Pro). Pretty decent specs and in home repair warranty.

-- Windows 7 Home Premium

-- Processor: Intel Core i7-2620M processor (2.70 GHz with Turbo Boost 2.0 up to 3.40 GHz)

-- 15.6 inch FHD (1080P) WLED Display

-- 750 GB SATA Hard Drive (7200RPM)

-- 6 GB DDR3 SDRAM 1333MHz (2 DIMMs)

-- NVIDIA GeForce GT525M 2GB graphics with Optimus

All of this for a touch over a grand from the Dell outlet. It's probably 10X the computer I need, but I need one fast and need to be done with all this. If it stays together I'll be very happy, if not I'll never buy another Dell.

stomachmonkey · 08-10-2011, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nota

why not get a better cheaper non mac
and add OS-10.6 or .7 as a hackintosh
the chips are all the same now by intel

btw the air is a lightweight as a computer to

Hackintosh is just that, a hack. Not reliable. I'd rather use Windows.

stomachmonkey · 08-10-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by lendaddy

I decided to go the easy route, I need a PC soon and the Mac route leaves questions...I don't need questions, just a unit that works.

I went with a Dell (yea I know.....) XPS15Z which is a ultra thin 15" unit (almost the exact same dimensions as a MacBook Pro). Pretty decent specs and in home repair warranty.

-- Windows 7 Home Premium

-- Processor: Intel Core i7-2620M processor (2.70 GHz with Turbo Boost 2.0 up to 3.40 GHz)

-- 15.6 inch FHD (1080P) WLED Display

-- 750 GB SATA Hard Drive (7200RPM)

-- 6 GB DDR3 SDRAM 1333MHz (2 DIMMs)

-- NVIDIA GeForce GT525M 2GB graphics with Optimus

All of this for a touch over a grand from the Dell outlet. It's probably 10X the computer I need, but I need one fast and need to be done with all this. If it stays together I'll be very happy, if not I'll never buy another Dell.

You would have been fine with the Mac but that Dell looks like a nice machine.

Enjoy it.

Rob Channell · 08-10-2011, 07:36 PM

Looks like a decision has been made but I just went through this in the last couple of days so here is what I found in case someone else is searching later.

I loaded VMWare and Parallels both on an iMac (i5) to try them out. I had a laptop already running windows XP so I migrated the entire laptop PC to run under virtual machines on the Mac using both Parallels and VMWare. Both products worked well but the VMWare was slightly faster on the benchmark I chose and it used 1/3 of the memory footprint of Parallels.

On the VMWare software I set it up so the virtual Windows machine had its own IP address and appeared to the other computers on our network as a separate computer. I could also share files between the Windows OS on the virtual machine and the Mac OS X. Both Parallels and VMWare are available on a trial basis. Download them for free and see if it will work for you. Buy it only if you like it. It can be a memory hog depending on how you set it up. If you migrate an existing computer it will take more disk space than the current disk in you computer. One of my computers had a 1TB disk and both Parallels and VMWare wanted 1.4TB of disk space to migrate the old system. You could also start from scratch with a fresh Windows install to use less space.

I intend to try a couple of external pieces of hardware next to see if I can get them to work..... a USB to quad serial port converter, a USB video capture device, and another small data logger device with Windows only software.

SuperPi benchmark of (4) threads, each computing Pi to 16 million digits

iMac running Windows XP under VMWare virtual machine limited to 4 processors and 4GB RAM
6 minutes 45 seconds

3.2 GHz Dual Xeon processor capable of 8 threads but limited to 4 for the benchmark
11 minutes 15 seconds

lendaddy · 07:43 PM

I admit I punked out a bit, I'd love to try the Mac route (the machine not the OS), but I decided I don't have time for that right now.

If this machine pisses me off with build quality issues I'll probably go the Mac route next time. I'll admit the whole idea of sourcing Windows 7 and the associated programs was what tipped me over the top. I don't need that hassle.

I just want my machines to work........is that so wrong?

campbellcj · 08-10-2011, 07:48 PM

I know this doesn't add much to the discussion, but FWIW I know people running Windows 7 under bootcamp on MacBooks with no issues, and I personally run VMware Fusion with no issues. I have virtualized Windows Server 2003 and 2008 systems and they run fine.

lendaddy · 08-10-2011, 07:50 PM

I would also like to say thanks for all the input and sorry for what seems like wasting of your time, but rest assured your input helped me make my decision. Thanks again guys.

stomachmonkey · 08-10-2011, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by lendaddy

....I just want my machines to work........is that so wrong?

I think you made the correct purchase decision based on your individual needs.

lendaddy · 08-10-2011, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

I think you made the correct purchase decision based on your individual needs.

Thanks, the older I get the more "Keep It Simple Stupid" seems like sage advice. I respect your input, I know you know your stuff.

I was wavering between this and the Samsung Series nine in 13.3" (which is a silly cool little PC), but that too left me with a lot of questions.

foxpaws · foxpaws's Garage

lendaddy - if you want to go mac - you'll just have to do it - it will never be totally seamless... and it will always have a learning curve. But it will be a computer that works.

I have been using Parallels for about 2 years - mostly to get access to some stuff at work, where everyone but the art dept (me) is on Windows machines. I have liked it because it has been very stable. I don't pay much attention to size - I have huge drives and a ton of memory. It seems plenty fast for the small amount that I use it. I got an i7 mac last winter - with snow leopard, and it has worked great on it - haven't had the time to go to lion yet.

However - Domestic Calico - neat - I'll take you up on that

RWebb · RWebb's Garage

Quote:

Originally Posted by lendaddy

I don't need that hassle.

I just want my machines to work........is that so wrong?

quoted for emphasis

that is exactly the way I feel

lendaddy · 08-10-2011, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by foxpaws

lendaddy - if you want to go mac - you'll just have to do it - it will never be totally seamless... and it will always have a learning curve. But it will be a computer that works.

I have been using Parallels for about 2 years - mostly to get access to some stuff at work, where everyone but the art dept (me) is on Windows machines. I have liked it because it has been very stable. I don't pay much attention to size - I have huge drives and a ton of memory. It seems plenty fast for the small amount that I use it. I got an i7 mac last winter - with snow leopard, and it has worked great on it - haven't had the time to go to lion yet.

However - Domestic Calico - neat - I'll take you up on that

My wife is the Marketing Director at her place and is the only Mac user there as well. Her stuff really impresses me in several ways but I 'v tried to do the OS and it just doesn't compute with my melon.

In particular the AC power connection is a great idea, why no PC mfg can get with the program on that is beyond me. The Samsung I mentioned uses something sorta similar from what I'm told but not quite as good.

The case quality on her MBP is stellar, again....why can't PC mfg's do this? The Dell I ordered is all aluminum and magnesium construction but I'm under no illusions that it will be comparable.

RWebb · RWebb's Garage

reviews say it is a tad flexy - not a unibody carved shell like on the McBook

OTOH - you save lots of $$ and saved the hassle of transitioning to a new GUI, OS etc.

lendaddy · 08-10-2011, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RWebb

reviews say it is a tad flexy - not a unibody carved shell like on the McBook

OTOH - you save lots of $$ and saved the hassle of transitioning to a new GUI, OS etc.

Yep, there are a few odd complaints in the multiple reviews I read but nothing that really scares me. We'll see....

RWebb · RWebb's Garage

post your findings - I'm looking for a 15" "ultrabook" or thin, light, long battery life, fast booting thingamajig

it'll be obsolete in 4 years anyway, so it really only has to last that long

lendaddy · 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RWebb

it'll be obsolete in 4 years anyway, so it really only has to last that long

True, but it's the BS issues between then and now that drive me crazy.

My current unit XPS M1530 is about 3 yrs old and the motherboard dumped on me. Not totally (I'm on it now), but the charging circuit or whatever it's called is fried so I can't disconnect from the AC supply...It also crashes all the time do to related bugs. So in essence....it's useless (and fixing it exceeds it's value).

That being said I have a Dell netbook that has been nothing short of awesome, an absolute rock of reliability.