Let's talk Tesla again.

[island911]

I think that more resources should be put into that nano-tech Hydrogen fuel technology. --that stuff is so cool... it uses, on a very small scale, carbon atoms to make the Hydrogen atoms/fuel more stable, and more dense. Brilliant! ...but wait, there's more... Not only is it more stable and dense, but also, when the Hydrogen fuel portion burns, so too does the carbon portion. --I have a feeling that THIS tech will be our future.

[enzo1]

How many Teslas have been built?

[stealthn]

No pure electric will ever make it, today with the more modern engines, even the gas engines are getting amazing mileage. Hydrogen is the only was to go but the the technology is still too expensive to mass market.

So for now it's good old gas cars, perhaps a 917 hybrid....

[Hawktel]

Read a article that said Tesla had contracted for 2400 chassis from Lotus for the tesla.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by kaisen

Honda (and GM, and BMW) received money from the Federal Government for the advancement of Hydrogen fuel cell technology.

ALL major manufacturers have taken money

ALL major manufacturers have benefitted from 'alternative fuels' initiatives AND hybrid incentives.

It's not just the Big Three. They're all "guilty", if that's the correct way to phrase it.

I searched, could you find me a link to the government bailing out Honda from bankruptcy?

[cairns]

K
The US government gave Honda and BMW money to develop hybrid technologies??? I find that very hard to believe. You're the one talking about facts- please prove it.
Thanks,
C

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

I searched, could you find me a link to the government bailing out Honda from bankruptcy?

No, but that's not what we were talking about, is it!?

Tesla has not filed bankruptcy, and they have received federal grants and loans. That was the issue at hand.

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by cairns

K
The US government gave Honda and BMW money to develop hybrid technologies??? I find that very hard to believe. You're the one talking about facts- please prove it.
Thanks,
C

C

I'm not going to do your homework for you. It's public record, and quite easy to Google. Look it up.

As far as Hydrogen is concerned, here is a Wikipedia article for you that has lots of links outlining State and Federal grants, loans, incentives, tax breaks, etc that Ford, GM, Toyota, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Honda, and several others have taken advantage of:

United States Hydrogen Policy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are several similar initiatives to advance battery technology, alternative fuels, hybrid technology, and other transportation related tech that the major manufacturers (US and foreign) have taken government money.

They would be foolish not to.

Thanks,

K

[nynor]

K is sounding like someone else we know and love. how about some sources for your claims, there, K.

nano-hydrogen, looking this up right now.

er... are you talking regular gasoline?

[nynor]

here is what i found:

UK Energy Firm Claims its Hydrogen-Nanobead-Based Synthetic Gas Can Burn in Your Car with Zero Emissions | Popular Science

Nanotechnology could clean up the hydrogen car's dirty little secret

and this is interesting:

"And here is the dirty little secret: while politicians and the energy industry talk about the clean future of the hydrogen economy, the DOE's Hydrogen Energy Roadmap foresees up to 90% of hydrogen production coming from fossil fuels – coal, gas, oil – the rest mostly from nuclear power plants (why do you think the oil companies are investing hundreds of millions of dollars into hydrogen technology?). In other words: although hydrogen fuel cell cars themselves may emit nothing but water and heat, the process of powering the fuel cells with hydrocarbons will continue the economy's dependence on fossil fuels and leave behind carbon dioxide (sequestered or not), the primary cause of global warming. "

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by nynor

K is sounding like someone else we know and love. how about some sources for your claims, there, K.

Follow the links on the Wiki

Do you NOT think that government money exists for advancing hydrogen fuel cells in cars?? OF COURSE the manufacturers have taken that money. It's a freebie for them. Name a major manufacturer that doesn't have a hydrogen fuel cell program. That's who hasn't taken US funds.....

[island911]

Originally Posted by nynor

K is sounding like someone else we know and love. how about some sources for your claims, there, K.

nano-hydrogen, looking this up right now.

er... are you talking regular gasoline?

gasoline? ...n'no, this is repackaged super special nano-tech where a backbone chain of 8 carbon atoms give a metastable structure to 18 Hydrogen atoms . . .repeated millions of times, creating a super special liquid ready to be completely burned in existing gasoline engines.

Say it with me; Nano-technology... ...oh wait, that IS gasoline. Well how about that?

[nynor]

Originally Posted by island911

gasoline? ...n'no, this is repackaged super special nano-tech where a backbone chain of 8 carbon atoms give a metastable structure to 18 Hydrogen atoms . . .repeated millions of times, creating a super special liquid ready to be completely burned in existing gasoline engines.

Say it with me; Nano-technology... ...oh wait, that IS gasoline. Well how about that?

interestingly, these guys are claiming to be able to make it cheap, $1.50/gallon, and with zero emissions. i am gonna have to keep reading, because it sounds too good to be true.

[nynor]

it doesn't appear from the article that they are using a carbon backbone.

[island911]

Yeah, I read that article, and some of the comment.

What they have is neither cheap, nor stable.

... That's the beauty of hydrocarbons; we dial the stability/volatility up or down with chain length.

Green plants work hard to scrub the atmosphere of the tiny amount of CO2.

Carbon makes the world (as we know it) go 'round.

[HardDrive]

I walk out of my house every day, turn the key in my 997, and I hear the wonderful growl of a flat six. Its an amazing, visceral pleasure.

Making love to a woman is great. Making love to a blow up doll = not the same.

I would consider an electric car for getting around the neighborhood, taking the kids to school, etc. But comparing it to a 911 is beyond pathetic and laughable. It reminds me of Ford comparing the Granada to a Mercedes in their 1970s ads.

And as Island911 points out, I would love to know how much these cars really cost to produce.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by kaisen

No, but that's not what we were talking about, is it!?

Tesla has not filed bankruptcy, and they have received federal grants and loans. That was the issue at hand.

Actually you were shilling for the Volt, sold by General Motors which was saved by the federal government from bankruptcy. The same federal government which then conveniently created large tax incentives to help sell said Chevy Volt because they otherwise do not make good financial sense. Convenient time for you to change the topic, huh?

[nynor]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Actually you were shilling for the Volt, sold by General Motors which was saved by the federal government from bankruptcy. The same federal government which then conveniently created large tax incentives to help sell said Chevy Volt because they otherwise do not make good financial sense. Convenient time for you to change the topic, huh?

K indulging in another tactic by a well known 'member' on the forum....

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Actually you were shilling for the Volt, sold by General Motors which was saved by the federal government from bankruptcy. The same federal government which then conveniently created large tax incentives to help sell said Chevy Volt because they otherwise do not make good financial sense. Convenient time for you to change the topic, huh?

Nope. I used the Volt because there are a ton of recent articles by real journalists that back up range claims.

Re-read the f*cking thread in the context

I'm biting my tongue pretty hard not to call you out

[nynor]

Originally Posted by kaisen

Nope. I used the Volt because there are a ton of recent articles by real journalists that back up range claims.

Re-read the f*cking thread in the context

I'm biting my tongue pretty hard not to call you out

again! LOL!

isn't typing that paramount to 'calling him out'? keyboard toughguy....