NormOline-

[Normy]

-Folks, tonight I put 10 gallons of ChevronTexaco gasoline in my car. 93 octane, or whatever it was, some gas-like-substance; I put it in my car. I've done this from the same station for the past few years, never had a problem.

However....


LATELY I've had a problem with the "vapors". The 928 cranks and almost starts, then cranks and comes online. This from a car that NEVER had any problem like this before. I can tell you why this is happening- fuel is boiling in the fuel rails.

I must admit, I have removed my belt-driven fan. That means that I have no main fan; My aux fan was rigged to run full time; This aux fan is easily more than enough.

The belt driven fan that I removed does nothing during shut down, so the problem isn't the lack of air movement.

I'm convinced that the alcohol gasoline that we are getting these days cannot cope with Florida. As such, I have come up with my own fuel: I call it NormOline. Call it what you want.

I'm going to buy, from the local airport, 5 gallons of 100LL aviation gasoline.

I'm going to buy, from a SPECIFIC Sunoco, 5 gallons of NO ethanol 90 octane gasoline.

[It is illegal to put aviation gasoline in an automobile. When you see me do it, you may call the police. When I go out to the airport, I tell them I want 10 gallons of 100LL in a can. They don't ask any questions.]

I typically put 10 gallons on fuel in my 928 when the low-fuel light comes on; That allows me to to an instant check of my fuel mileage, since I typically drive 100 miles at that point.

To get away from the issue of plug fouling, I'm using the Sunoco no-ethanol fuel. I'm already using this in all my lawnmowers, weed whips, my generator, and my boat. This is 90 octane, which is not enough for my ROW 928, which needs the highest octane it can find in North America, thus the addition of the 100LL avgas. It is very high octane, like 104, but not legal for automobiles. I've used it before, but i had gentle plug fouling; the neat thing was that my exhaust smelled totally different! It smelled like a Piper warrior exhaust.

-The alcohol gas from Texaco works but it is causing trouble. I already avoid it in my lawnmower, my weed-whip, and my boat. Now I'm going to avoid it in my 928.

My 928S2 has NO catalytic converters; It wasn't built with these, and the 100 LL would destroy them.

I'm getting away from alcohol gas. It is available at marinas, at airports, and at pure-gas.org For my car, I'm calling it NormOline-

N!

[Laneco]

****ty gas has been the bane of all of us for years, Normy. Your car has been running on it for years. Not saying it hasn't caused a problem with your car, but I would definately look at other issues first.

It really sounds like your car is bleeding off the residual fuel pressure, or that your fuel pump is beginning to fail. Before you have to stick a thumb out, I'd really check into that. I've had to push a 928 before. They are surprisingly heavy.

angela

[Normy]

I have a fuel pressure gauge on the end of the fuel rail, and I can tell you that the pressure bleed off is within the Porsche specs. Astute answer, by the way.

-I'm SURE that the local gas companies are screwing around and introducing extra alcohol in order to stretch out the fuel deliveries. I've used this gas from the same place for years, but lately...If I drive around for a while, and then park the car for 20 minutes...suddenly it is terrible hard to start. I pulled the plugs yesterday and looked at them [it is EASY on a 928!], and none of them smelled of gasoline, so none of the injectors are leaking.

This is excessive alcohol. I'm sick of it. I don't use it in my lawnmower/weed whip/generator/boat, and I won't use it in my Porsche any more. I'm going to start this [expensive] experiment with 50/50 100LL and Sunoco 90 NA and see what happens.

N!

[cgarr]

Is there a heat sensor switch near the fuel rail to kick the fan on when its hot? Its a neat little setup on our vw's to keep that area cool.

[pwd72s]

Here's how you test for alcohol...
This is how I know that my Mustang's tank is full of 92 octane no alcohol unleaded premium.

Test gasoline for ethanol - YouTube

(edit) I got my test vial from:
EAA Aviation Center
p.o. box 3086
Oshkosh, WI 53903-3066
phone: (920) 426-5912
FAX: (920) 426-6761

I forget the cost...around $20.00 The label on the vial says "fuel-chek by daansen"

Good luck to all who are forced to burn this distilled panther piss they call "gas" these days.

[Joeaksa]

As usual, something most people do not think out fully.

If the car has a cat on its exhaust and I believe the 928 does, then the 100LL will clog the cat and stop the engine from running in short order. Also if there is any sort of state smog testing the car will fail badly if its able to drive to the inspection station or is stopped in a road test.

Otherwise it works great in older cars with no cat in the exhaust.. Have also heard that Jet A works great in diesels but would not know myself!

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

As usual, something most people do not think out fully.

If the car has a cat on its exhaust and I believe the 928 does, then the 100LL will clog the cat and stop the engine from running in short order. Also if there is any sort of state smog testing the car will fail badly if its able to drive to the inspection station or is stopped in a road test.

Otherwise it works great in older cars with no cat in the exhaust.. Have also heard that Jet A works great in diesels but would not know myself!

No cats according to N's post, and no inspection in FL, I believe.

[RANDY P]

Originally Posted by Normy

-Folks, tonight I put 10 gallons of ChevronTexaco gasoline in my car. 93 octane, or whatever it was, some gas-like-substance; I put it in my car. I've done this from the same station for the past few years, never had a problem.

However....


LATELY I've had a problem with the "vapors". The 928 cranks and almost starts, then cranks and comes online. This from a car that NEVER had any problem like this before. I can tell you why this is happening- fuel is boiling in the fuel rails.

I must admit, I have removed my belt-driven fan. That means that I have no main fan; My aux fan was rigged to run full time; This aux fan is easily more than enough.

The belt driven fan that I removed does nothing during shut down, so the problem isn't the lack of air movement.

I'm convinced that the alcohol gasoline that we are getting these days cannot cope with Florida. As such, I have come up with my own fuel: I call it NormOline. Call it what you want.

I'm going to buy, from the local airport, 5 gallons of 100LL aviation gasoline.

I'm going to buy, from a SPECIFIC Sunoco, 5 gallons of NO ethanol 90 octane gasoline.

[It is illegal to put aviation gasoline in an automobile. When you see me do it, you may call the police. When I go out to the airport, I tell them I want 10 gallons of 100LL in a can. They don't ask any questions.]

I typically put 10 gallons on fuel in my 928 when the low-fuel light comes on; That allows me to to an instant check of my fuel mileage, since I typically drive 100 miles at that point.

To get away from the issue of plug fouling, I'm using the Sunoco no-ethanol fuel. I'm already using this in all my lawnmowers, weed whips, my generator, and my boat. This is 90 octane, which is not enough for my ROW 928, which needs the highest octane it can find in North America, thus the addition of the 100LL avgas. It is very high octane, like 104, but not legal for automobiles. I've used it before, but i had gentle plug fouling; the neat thing was that my exhaust smelled totally different! It smelled like a Piper warrior exhaust.

-The alcohol gas from Texaco works but it is causing trouble. I already avoid it in my lawnmower, my weed-whip, and my boat. Now I'm going to avoid it in my 928.

My 928S2 has NO catalytic converters; It wasn't built with these, and the 100 LL would destroy them.

I'm getting away from alcohol gas. It is available at marinas, at airports, and at pure-gas.org For my car, I'm calling it NormOline-

N!

Man you are a butcher. You should NOT be giving advice on cars (along with anything else for that matter)

Why don't you check your fuel pressure if you have vapor lock problems (something is wrong with your car) and quit using gas that has 2x the lead content regular automotive fuel?

O2 sensors are gonna die early and probably your fuel pump too and who knows what else.

100LL isn't meant to be used in cars knucklehead, not to mention a hassle during fillup.

When it dies, don't buy N!'s porsche. It's been hammered on, and it will never ever pass emissions.


rjp

[RANDY P]

FCK I run my Pontiac around LV in 110 deg weather with an iron block and heads, carb, mechanical pump on plain old pump gas-

NO PROBLEMS. NONE AT ALL.

rjp

[Porsche-O-Phile]

100LL will work fine in cars with no cats and no O2 sensors - like my 911. It will destroy both cat converters and O2 sensors quickly in other cars.

My advice for cat-equipped or O2-sensor-equipped cars is to either fin a 0E station (I'm lucky enough to live near one), or build an ethanol extractor and boost the octane with xylene or toluene.

Mandatory ethanol sucks - I'm fairly certain that it was a factor in the engine fire that destroyed my 951 and I don't put or want that garbage in my cars (except the Benz, which is built for it being a fairly recent model year). I don't even put the E10 junk in my lawnmower or chainsaw or other landscape equipment.

My relatives in MA (a mandatory E10 state with no E0 options I'm aware of) like to hit me up for cans full of the "good" stuff occasionally. I'm happy to oblige.

I'll run 100LL in my 911. No problem. Carbs, no cats, no electronics. Boo-yahh!

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by masraum

No cats according to N's post, and no inspection in FL, I believe.

Thanks and I barely read anything that this poster puts up, just trying to save others who might be doing what he touts.

[RANDY P]

Originally Posted by masraum

No cats according to N's post, and no inspection in FL, I believe.

No sense either.

Why doesn't he just get the car repaired properly?

rjp

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by RANDY P

Man you are a butcher. You should NOT be giving advice on cars (along with anything else for that matter)

Why don't you check your fuel pressure if you have vapor lock problems (something is wrong with your car) and quit using gas that has 2x the lead content regular automotive fuel?

O2 sensors are gonna die early and probably your fuel pump too and who knows what else.

100LL isn't meant to be used in cars knucklehead, not to mention a hassle during fillup.

When it dies, don't buy N!'s porsche. It's been hammered on, and it will never ever pass emissions.


rjp

BTW, Randy prolly does not know what he is talking about... he is only an Aircraft Mechanic and lives, eats, sleeps and breathes this stuff. Personally I would listen to him though...

[RANDY P]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

BTW, Randy prolly does not know what he is talking about... he is only an Aircraft Mechanic and lives, eats, sleeps and breathes this stuff. Personally I would listen to him though...

WHo's getting O&P's done on the 18th FYI.

Got approved for early testing cuz of grades

rjp

[RANDY P]

PS i'm going to refrain from PPOT observation- it's not the CAR's fault. It's just underprivileged.

rjp

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by RANDY P

PS i'm going to refrain from PPOT observation- it's not the CAR's fault. It's just underprivileged.

rjp

Same here. I usually refrain from posting anything on this posters threads as its usually kinda stoopid (like this thread is) but really just wanted to keep others from blindly putting 100LL in a car with cats on it then wondering why they just have to spend $1500 for new cats when they are plugged up.

BTW, congrats on the early testing and grades!

[Normy]

Originally Posted by RANDY P

Man you are a butcher. You should NOT be giving advice on cars (along with anything else for that matter)

Why don't you check your fuel pressure if you have vapor lock problems (something is wrong with your car) and quit using gas that has 2x the lead content regular automotive fuel?

O2 sensors are gonna die early and probably your fuel pump too and who knows what else.

100LL isn't meant to be used in cars knucklehead, not to mention a hassle during fillup.

When it dies, don't buy N!'s porsche. It's been hammered on, and it will never ever pass emissions.


rjp

OK, let me handle this one line at a time, since you obviously have a one-track mind and have NO reading comprehension.

1. I have a fuel pressure gauge mounted on the end of my passenger-side fuel rail. That means that the moment I open my hood, I know what my fuel pressure is.

2. If you knew ONE thing about Porsche's, you'd know that my 928S2 [in my signature line] does NOT have an O2 sensor! Then again, you know nothing about Porsches, and you've just demonstrated that.

3. Really? I'll be damned...I was wondering why the local Chevron didn't have a 100LL pump! Thank you so much for enlightening me....

4. My car is in great condition. People still ask me if it is a 2000 model. YOU on the other hand are certifiably an IDIOT.

5. Your silly old Pontiac is probably running 8:1 compression, and knocks and pings all over the place. You simply don't know what detonation is.

removed - ns

N!

[Normy]

Originally Posted by RANDY P

WHo's getting O&P's done on the 18th FYI.

Got approved for early testing cuz of grades

rjp

The Feds are going to fail your ass! I know a few, called them tonight- I made sure you get a "special" check ride...

Aviation is a small community buster, and I'm fairly well known-

Enjoy- -And good....luck!

N!

[RANDY P]

Actually Norm, you do need to get the fuel pressure checked. What you have there is a mess. That's something a HS kid would do to that car.

Your car SHOULD NOT need all that garbage to run properly. Something is wrong with it.

Feel free to call all you want. This should be good for a laugh or three BTW.

rjp

[RANDY P]

PS I'm not much for 928's. Esp. ones owned by butchers

rjp