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id10t 06-23-2012 06:04 PM

tesla delivers first 10 ...
 
Tesla Delivers First Batch of Model S Electric Sedans - Slashdot

9dreizig 06-23-2012 06:09 PM

I've been spending a lot of time in the plant the last few months.. I'm pretty impressed I think they actually will make it.. Now I won't buy one until it can take me from Reno to the Bay Area on one charge,, oh and has 4 WD so I don't need chains.. ..but still impressive

azasadny 06-23-2012 07:07 PM

How is that electricity produced that recharges the battery?????

krichard 06-23-2012 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by azasadny (Post 6819872)
How is that electricity produced that recharges the battery?????

However it's produced it's produced in the U.S.! Don't know how well these will do, but I definitely support any means of getting off foreign oil....

djantlive 06-23-2012 08:49 PM

anything that isn't jacking up gas prices and causing US reliance on foreign oil is a good thing.

sc_rufctr 06-23-2012 08:57 PM

Great stuff. About time ;)

nynor 06-23-2012 08:58 PM

cool car. it will be interesting to see what problems crop up, if any. good times.

Bill Douglas 06-23-2012 10:13 PM

Looks nice. Best of luck to them.

island911 06-23-2012 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by djantlive (Post 6820014)
anything that isn't jacking up gas prices and causing US reliance on foreign oil is a good thing.

yeah, like some kid's lemonade stand which shows a profit (from the children's POV) after mom buys all the supplies.

That is our tax dollars - a half a billion-- were directed toward Tesla (and other green tech got their half a billions). And in this State, the sales tax is waived --there's a few thousand more subsidized for each one. But at least they won't be contributing to the ever rising gas tax.

Color me impressed when an electric car company produces a competitive sol'n w/o massive tax dollar infusions.

Until then, It's a niche market and a niche product. ...a heavy, expensive rolling energy storage system which is slow to refill. :-/

krichard 06-23-2012 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 6820129)
yeah, like some kid's lemonade stand which shows a profit (from the children's POV) after mom buys all the supplies.

That is our tax dollars - a half a billion-- were directed toward Tesla (and other green tech got their half a billions). And in this State, the sales tax is waived --there's a few thousand more subsidized for each one. But at least they won't be contributing to the ever rising gas tax.

Color me impressed when an electric car company produces a competitive sol'n w/o massive tax dollar infusions.

Until then, It's a niche market and a niche product. ...a heavy, expensive rolling energy storage system which is slow to refill. :-/

god forbid us all pitching in to figure out a way to get off foreign oil.... guess it will just magically happen.

island911 06-23-2012 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by krichard (Post 6820134)
god forbid us all pitching in to figure out a way to get off foreign oil.... guess it will just magically happen.

:rolleyes: It doesn't happen by deluding ourselves.

I'll tell you, I was -in to- all sorts of this stuff (hybrids, EV's, HPV's...)when getting my Mech Egr degree. The thing is, this is NOTHING new. Hell, the First Porsche was an electric car. There hasn't been massive break-thru's in battery tech to make it competitive with hydrocarbons...

Want to get off foreign oil? ...Drill baby, drill.

Even the harder to get hydrocarbons are still an easier path than electrics.

island911 06-23-2012 10:45 PM

Perhaps when we produce power with He<sub>3</sub> we can revisit electric cars.

krichard 06-23-2012 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 6820149)
:rolleyes: It doesn't happen by deluding ourselves.

I'll tell you, I was -in to- all sorts of this stuff (hybrids, EV's, HPV's...)when getting my Mech Egr degree. The thing is, this is NOTHING new. Hell, the First Porsche was an electric car. There hasn't been massive break-thru's in battery tech to make it competitive with hydrocarbons...

Want to get off foreign oil? ...Drill baby, drill.

Even the harder to get hydrocarbons are still an easier path than electrics.

Like I said I support any means of getting us off foreign oil. Be it drill baby drill, hybrids, electric cars..... doesn't matter, I just don't want to see us not investing in the future just because it may not look feasible at this particular moment.

island911 06-23-2012 10:52 PM

Actually, foreign oil is not a problem. The Problems arise from the crack-pot dictators who have lot's of power (money) from oil. I mean, we get so much oil from Canada, eh? ...but that's not a problem. Right? ...stable government? ... So separate out the problems. ...if we don't buy oil from the crack-pot dictators in the ME, others will . . . then the crack-pot dictators STILL have money . .and are still problematic to the world.

krichard 06-23-2012 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 6820159)
Actually, foreign oil is not a problem. The Problems arise from the crack-pot dictators who have lot's of power (money) from oil. I mean, we get so much oil from Canada, eh? ...but that's not a problem. Right? ...stable government? ... So separate out the problems. ...if we don't buy oil from the crack-pot dictators in the ME, others will . . . then the crack-pot dictators STILL have money . .and are still problematic to the world.

lol, since the U.S. is by far the largest consumer of oil in the world I'd have to say that we are the problem when it comes to funding the extremist oil producing nations. Plus bringing energy production and jobs back to the U.S. is good for OUR economy... Why would you rather support foreign economies over our own?

hawaiipcar 06-24-2012 01:43 AM

Seen a red one at work last week here on the Big Island,HI. thought it was a Lotus at first then read the badge.

island911 06-24-2012 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by krichard (Post 6820177)
lol, since the U.S. is by far the largest consumer of oil in the world I'd have to say that we are the problem when it comes to funding the extremist oil producing nations. Plus bringing energy production and jobs back to the U.S. is good for OUR economy... Why would you rather support foreign economies over our own?

The wold is changing, fast. China and others are coming out of the dark ages, fast. The idea of our economy vs their economy is quickly being antiquated. Makes your above post seem circa 1975. That is, do you really believe that China will be buying the Tesla like they do Oldsmobiles? Teslas are not on their way to being part of the world economy. ...well, other than all of the rare earth metals WE import for our freaky electric auto fetish.

Don't get me wrong, I do like that people are building crazy stuff like this. It's just that the product is no where near ready for prime time. ..all we have here is enough excess resource to play with cars in a BIG way.

ckissick 06-24-2012 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by azasadny (Post 6819872)
How is that electricity produced that recharges the battery?????

Depends on where you live. In the Midwest and east, the electrons come from coal fired plants and similar such sources. Electric cars there are less green than gas cars. In the west, where there are a lot of large dams, electric cars are more green. (Unless you factor in the inundation of a wild river.)

But, some day, we will run out of oil, build lots of nuclear power plants, and drive electric cars. Probably in about 200 years. So perhaps Tesla is jumping the gun a bit?

tabs 06-24-2012 10:40 AM

The problem with the Green Jeanies and Liberals is that they can't or won't think things true. It sounds so wonderfull that a Toaster Oven of a car is being built that will theoretically take us off our Hydrocarbon fix. However what they fail to think about is where is the energy coming from once they plug their Toaster Oven into the wall? Most likely it is another source of Hydrocarbons called COAL, NG, Oil or maybe Nuclear?

Sorry as of today I am DOWNGRADING LIBERALS mental acuity rating from IGNORANT TO STUPID.

Superman 06-24-2012 10:51 AM

I have a COMPLETELY different view, Island. The part we agree on is that battery technology is nowhere near a position to be a viable competitor to fossil fuels. And that's where we stop agreeing.

I laud efforts, even expensive ones, to find technological breakthroughs that will revolutionize industries as expensive and important as Energy. Yes, it takes massive investment. I applaud rather than whine. And I believe that electric cars will, eventually, replace internal combustion. The things you say about electric cars.....are similar to what many folks said about aviation, space flight, etc. Columbus received similar criticism.

I hope that when (not if) the breakthroughs are achieved, the heroes are Americans.


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