Originally Posted by Joeaksa (Post 6969189)

Not sure that I would admit this on an open public forum. Its just asking for more tickets. In fact this entire thread is not a really good idea IMHO...

Originally Posted by techweenie (Post 6968661)

We got rid of red light cameras in most -- if not all -- municipalities in California. I have mixed feelings about it because we have a huge problem in LA with left turning drivers running red lights.

But something new has been added to CA law -- at least to my knowledge -- your car has to be stationary for a count of 3 seconds before you are considered to be legally stopped. Worth researching in other states...

Originally Posted by jyl (Post 6969478)

Pick up a driver's license booklet from the DMV, read it, reflect on it, I think that is all you need.

Bummer about the tickets but hardly the end of the world.

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 6968231)

I've NEVER turned right on red at a camera controlled intersection. I just don't trust them - yes I've been honked at and yelled at but I don't give a damn, the impatient person behind me won't be the one going through the grief of trying to fight a ticket against a nameless accuser if the thing decides to snap me "running" the intersection (even stopping and then making a legal RH turn). At that point your only recourse would be to contest it and I always figured it'd go something like this:

Judge: So what happened
Me: I stopped, looked and then made a legal right hand turn
Judge: But the camera picture shows you running the light - how do I know for a fact that you stopped and properly followed the law requiring you to make a full stop prior to the stop line?
Me: I guess you don't
Judge: That's right, sorry but the only available evidence (photograph) compels me to uphold the fine - you can pay over there

See what I mean?

Frankly if enough people do that and get pissed off that traffic is snarling up at intersections because of these stupid things, maybe there will be enough of a public outcry to get them pulled out. I'm certainly not going to give Johnny Law an "easy one" to nail me with.

I'm REALLY happy that there are no traffic lights at all near where I live (I pass four stop signs on my way to the train station and that's it), although there's talk that they might start getting installed in Boston (where I work) and in several surrounding suburban communities. All the more reason I'll never give up my house in the country and stick to riding the trains. I don't drive into the city unless there's literally no other alternative. Too much B.S. to deal with between traffic, parking, idiot drivers and now crap like this - I don't miss urban living at all. It seemed like practically every single intersection had cameras back when I lived in SoCal and I don't miss them one bit. I hope they don't migrate eastward to cities on this coast but it's probably inevitable - all the crap seems to eventually leech its way from L.A. and infect the rest of the country.

Originally Posted by Laneco (Post 6971937)

Dang, Scott! I know EXACTLY where that intersection is located! Been staying in Aurora and working in Denver the last few days.

Further... I yielded space to a Panamera on a two-lanes-down-to-one-lane freeway ramp two or three days ago. See in your sign you have a Panamera, would be pretty weird if it was YOU or your wife. Didn't see who was driving though.

A buddy took me to lunch at a place called BJ's here in Aurora today. Pretty darn good lunch!

Anyway, sheesh - small world!

angela

Originally Posted by 56 nomad (Post 6973385)

unless posted red light means stop and if safe proceed ( we're not talking going through the intersection!). these rolling or hollywood stops are not legal and endanger life...think about it when some driver rolls the light or the stop sign and you hit him/her.
life's too short for this "cool" behavior .
...(

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 6973616)

:rolleyes: Rolling up to, and rolling through a right hand turn on red is NOT the same as having complete disregard for the red, and blasting through. Yet it is fined as the same. Why is that? ...And automated? If that intersection is SOOOO sensitive with wrecks happening often, then shouldn't there be a first responder there babysitting the intersection?

This 'gottcha' game is just obtuse.

Originally Posted by Grog (Post 6974129)

It is the same. you are required to stop. Can you honestly tell me you have time to check both crosswalks, the on coming traffic, left turners, side traffic both ways, and double check for motorcycles in your illegal rolling stop. Is that 3 seconds worth your life or someone else's? I can't believe the way people on here whine about getting caught doing something that is illegal and justifying it by saying the law is stooped and they are being safe. Man up, you screwed up, pay the fine and don't do it again.

Originally Posted by Scott R (Post 6974146)

I was the OP, I never whined about it...

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 6973616)

:rolleyes: Rolling up to, and rolling thru a right hand turn on red is NOT the same as having complete disregard for the red, and blasting thru. Yet it is fined as the same. Why is that? ...And automated? If that intersection is SOOOO sensitive with wrecks happening often, then shouldn't there be a first responder there babysitting the intersection?

This 'gottcha' game is just obtuse.

Originally Posted by DARISC (Post 6974162)

It wasn't you whom the poster was addressing.

Originally Posted by Scott R (Post 6974174)

I read "pay the fine" and figured I was the only one actually paying a fine in the thread.

Originally Posted by Grog (Post 6974129)

It is the same. you are required to stop. Can you honestly tell me you have time to check both crosswalks, the on coming traffic, left turners, side traffic both ways, and double check for motorcycles in your illegal rolling stop..