Help!! Kremer 930 Slant Nose
 

I have just bought this car... was hoping to get some help as to how many were made, colors, options? Were they available without stripes, or if all cars were just one-off/customer preferenced vehicles.
1981 model, imported into US in 9/1980. Any and all help would be appreciated. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1351218845.jpg
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I'm assuming it began life as a 911SC targa. Kinda cool car. I'd try to find some classic BBS's with the wheel fans and maybe change that hideous front bumper/valence. I'm diggin' the stripes though, very '80s cool.

There is a 935 registry - the cars on that site look very much like this car.

Apparently targas and cabs were built as well. I would have thought only coupes as that's all I've ever seen - but I was dead wrong! Cabs/targas and coupes. I do not know enough about yours to know if it is a real one or if it is a tribute. The euro rear side lights with euro rear fogs and the US impact bumpers is odd but it could be a federalization thing - who knows.

I guarantee someone here knows something about this, but if not, the 935 registry would be a place to go. http://www.dp935registry.com/


angela

I spoke with the guys at Kremer racing a couple of days ago..... it has a badge under the hood, with a Kremer model # and serial #. These guys told me it was a real Kremer car.... The front bumper is terrible(i know), but I am hesitant to change because this is the way it came.... The wheels are BBS 3 piece, very light, 7.5" in front and 11" wide in back; I don't think I'll change them. Original turbo car, but upon customs inspection, a converter was added and exhaust pipe choked down to 2". I noticed the stripes look like a DP car.. but I really don't like them(color choice is horrible)... but still a cool idea.

That is GREAT news!!!

As far as changing things...well I kind of like the stripes. They were unique to the era and to the car. As far as the bumper goes, not a huge fan of it, but again, unique to the car which is now proven to be the real deal.

About the only thing I would change is the engine alterations done to be US. Let it breathe like it was intended... I might also put euro bumperettes on it as I'm sure that's what it originally had (and I think they are available on Pelican).

Also, the best source of 911/930/935 etc., is the 911 forum on this BBS. Alot of people who post there do not post in this section. No exageration here - the knowledge pool of Porsche is so deep in that section you need a sonar to find the bottom.

angela

Put exhaust back to original and uncork that beast! I'm in the camp of people who wasn't crazy about that styling when it was current but kind of like it in a nostalgic way now. Does it have adjustable boost with the knob between seats? The ones I drove back in the '80s were very quick.

Typing at same time as Angela...great minds think alike. :)

Very cool!

I like it, stripes, bumpers, Targa, colors and all.

From the sticker on the windshield, was this at some kind of auction?

I don't think those are BBS wheels. If they are, they are unlike any BBS wheels that I remember from the 80s. They look like Epsilon wheels to me.

No, they're definitely BBS E78's, period correct

Epsilons were slightly different, and the centers were typically bolted outside the rim, not sandwiched

Post it over in the slant nose thread in the 930 forum, lots of info and knowledgeable people there and a few Kremer nuts. Does it have one of those Kremer full width intercoolers?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-930-turbo-super-charging-forum/447083-slantnose-slant-nose-slope-m505-factory-930s-documents-registry-ultimate-flachbau.html

It sold at ADESA Pipeline (St Albans, WV) at a consignment auction on 10/19/2012
VIN 110008, mileage 18,605 (announced not actual, grey market import)

I know what it sold for, and you didn't do too bad ;)

Kaisen, were you the other bidder?? lol! We think we did good as well.... it needs a lot of work, but the finished product should be a very unusual car.... The Intercooler is stock 3.3L turbo style... does have adjustable knob in center for boost control! Very cool feature. I don't know about the stripes tho... thought about painting entire car white.... and maybe even the wheel centers.... Thanks for the input... we are excited about the project..

Scares the hell out of me knowing we think alike - LOL!

angela

I'd mirror the sentiments here and keep the car exactly as it is in terms of cosmetic treatments. If it needs paint, then duplicate it exactly, incl the wheel centers (careful, they're magnesium centers). The white on white schemes really didn't come into fashion until the Miami Vice era -- 1984 or so. The White/Gold/Brown was very "end-of-disco" and it fits the car.

Mechanically, it will be worth more in original Kremer euro-spec tune.

I assume you intend to resell it at some point?

Wow, that thing is ugly! But I like it! Nice score.

In Porsche matters, at least. ;)

I would not touch it, other than to get it mechanically "right", (exhaust, etc.). The paint looks mint and original. Unless you want to spend a fortune to make it less valuable. That car has collector value as it is, almost none if butchered in any way.

I don't mean offense by that, but collectors are generally purists and that car is pure and rare as all hell. Targa + the stickers on the rear, etc...

Put it back to 100% original euro w/ small rear bumperettes and exhaust, drive and enjoy. That car with original performance, slant nose and open top will be more fun than a barrel of lesbians to drive. :cool:

Drive it around Beverly Hills and some rich middle-aged Persian who's feeling nostalgic will give you serious grip for it.

We will eventually resell..... but it most definitely needs paint, especially in front, and pass side. My body guy is a perfectionist, and has done other cars in the past for us.....I may even sell my red car and keep this one.. I would like to know how many of these cars are out there. This car resembles more of a DP car than Kremer.. but I assume they produced similar models for similar customers. We would like to put a more free flowing exhaust on it.. probably Fabspeed, or something of the like... but that will be all of the aftermarket mods... sounds like the stripes are there to stay! I will need to borrow a bomber jacket however... seeing that ill spend all my extra money on the car....

Members Only jacket, dude, not bomber. ;)

Kremer utilized DP bodywork....remember, DP (Designer Plastics Automobilbau) made aftermarket bodykits and sold those parts/kits outside of their factory-built cars. Your car is a real-deal Kremer, but it's very likely that the DP factory did the bodywork. The rear, particularly, looks DP II.

I've never seen that particular front bumper treatment on a slantnose. It looks like they modified the factory bumper to integrate headlights. I can't find similar images anywhere.

DP is pretty active on Facebook if you think they can help with details.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dp-motorsport-design-tuning-und-service-f%C3%BCr-porsche/170518216293650

I adore the old DP cars. Silly stripes and all.

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4005/4...ffd_z.jpg?zz=1
DP Motorsports Porsche 935 by jeremycliff, on Flickr
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4048/4...f98_z.jpg?zz=1
DP 935 by Brad Sillars, on Flickr
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It reminds me of the old VW&PORSCHE mags I used to ware the pages out of in the "80's.

Most definitely old school, this car was built before i was born.. so, i really can't relate... the 80's for me was kindergarden and eagles music(my mom's a big fan)... I do remember the 83-84 GTI. Any and all input is appreciated and i am glad to show the car, I hope to find as much out as I can..

Great looking car. Keep it original.

And unless you want to rebuild the engine, DO NOT TURN UP THE BOOST! :)

Did they say 'dude' back in the early '80's?

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No, like this

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Or the metallic silver Porsche 25th Anniversary jacket (can't find photo!)

I agree about not over-boosting it, but all he needs is an accurate, working boost gauge and the proper info to know when he's over-cooking it. I have no idea what the safe/rated boost is on his car, unless it's been significantly modded, I'd stay pretty close to stock, no? :cool:

I have got to get one of those jackets!(prolly not).... however... the car is equipped with a large gauge where clock should be, the red needle is set at 1.2bar.... I'll prolly stay around 1 however.. I am not trying to hotrod it, just enjoy the ride.

Any chance of seeing the interior?

Great car BTW.

I'll get some pics of the interior up when I can... I've been researching the factory intercoolers on these cars(stock 3.3L style).. any thoughts on upgrades?? Who's is the best, or does anyone know how i can get my hands on a Kremer full-width version, are they still made, anyone have one floating around?

I took out the dial-a-death knob on my 930. Shim the spring to .8-1 bar and make sure the waste gate is in working order. You are good to go. with these turbos, there is no such thing as enjoy the ride. Like it or not you will get on that boost. Sorry, you already have the crack pipe. Does it still have AC? A full bay cooler will require the AC compressor to be remove. Kokeln cooler will fit in the stock location with little mod. That's a must IMO. Change the header on back and you WILL have a different car. It will like you gain 50 HP due to faster spool up. Talk to the nut cases over at the 930 section on this board. They are a very knowledgeable crowd. I have not been there in a very long time.

The car is bone stock from Kremer, still has r12 a/c set up, will be updated to r134a. The Fabspeed unit(intercooler) looks good, but i am not crazy about the cost or the shiny finish. We probably won't drive it much, I will leave the knob alone, it's a neat feature... and I want to keep the car as original as possible... but I would like it to perform well. We have an 08 Turbo Cab.... i feel certain that it probably wont run like that tho... the water-cooled cars are nasty.

Don't update the a/c unless there is a major problem. The r12 is colder and designed to work in that system.

As others have stated, DOn"T Change it

Yep, don't change it.. BTW, I still have a Members Only jacket:cool::cool:

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Yeah, I was going to post Spicoli as well. We definitely said "dude" in 1980 in CA., way too much actually. :)

I will try to do this.... I have a tech here at our store who has some I believe. He's more of a big-block Chevy kinda guy, but he respects and fears the flat6 turbos. I'll update pics as progress is made, I don't know a lot about these cars... so I feel certain the questions will keep on coming(from me).

That era of 911 was not exactly known for its stellar A/C performance, (to put it mildly), so R-12 would definitely be a good idea. I have no problem finding it here in SoCal and had no problem in Denver earlier this summer.

Sounds like a boost gauge.

The rear end, with those numbers and letters, seem odd for an original car from Kremer or DP or ?. I'd take them off because they look an after thought. Just my 2c.