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[Eric 951]

I am wondering if any of the LC pelicans can provide a bit of insight on my dilema. My 90 FJ62 radiator sprung a leak. I order a replacement from Radiator barn and confirmed twice that I had the correct PN from the manufacturer. I tore down the front end and removed the rad from the rig. Yesterday the new rad showed up and it is completely different. The new rad is wider than the exisitng and none of the mounting brackets/bolts or even the fan shroud line up. Additonaly, the inlets for the tranny lines are hardlines on the new rad while on the rad I yanked out they are female threaded holes. I re-verified that I had ordered the correct radiator for a 90 FJ62(and even cross-refernced the radiator with other supply houses). In digging through the various LC forums/mud sites, It appears that the radiator which I removed is an FJ80 rad. I guess the PO possibly changed radiators for some reason . Instead of registering and posting to yet another forum, I thought I may ask the LC fans here. Does anyone know if the photo below is an FJ80 rad? (This is the one I removed) If so, anyone know the advantage of doing this swap-(greater efficency possibly?)My rig does have an aluminum fan. Many thanks.

[kaisen]

I emailed this to my friend (also Eric) who's known as a LC guru. Here was his response:

"It does look like a FJ80 radiator. It should not have an aluminum fan. The factory fans were plastic from the mid 70s to current. I have an FJ62 radiator and a FJ80 radiator in the shop. I'll pull them out this afternoon and take a photo of them side by side. Was the 62 radiator ordered shorter width wise? 1990 was a transition year. Really there are not very many 1990 FJ62s as they started producing the FJ80 in 5/90 although I've heard of some mystery trucks being as early as 3/90 for the 1991 model FJ80. It is possible that they did something in a transition year using the next generation's parts. I think the FJ62 radiators actually have a threaded male input for the tranny lines. I know the lines screw into the radiator versus on the 80 series they have removable barbs that stick out with clamps over the hoses. Anyway, I hope this helps"

[onewhippedpuppy]

Agree on the aluminum fan, that is not correct. It should have a plastic fan with a clutch, my FJ80 came with a direct drive aluminum fan that sounded like a jet at highway speeds. Restoring the correct fan, clutch, and shroud make the engine much more street friendly.

[Eric 951]

Thanks to you both. Kaisen, please let me know his response once he looks at a side by side comparison. All of the literature for the rig checks out as a 90 FJ62(VIN, Title, etc.). The new radiator has the barbs for the tranny coolers, while the radiator which was removed has the female threaded holes. (1/2" diameter)

The new radiator is wider at the mounting holes. The old rad is 25-1/2" Center to center of the mounting holes , 20" tall, 3-1/4" deep, with a 1-1/2" inlet and 1-1/2" outlet. The fill nozzle/cap is off-set to the inside of the rad.

This might be a transition model.

I looked at the chassis and it doesn't appear that it was modified to accept the existing radiator in any way(no extra holes drilled or brackets added). The aluminum fan is definately an aftermarket and it appears that the WP was replaced at some point. There is an added "filter" canister in the inlet hose run, and an aftermarket oil cooler was mounted in front of the AC condensor. Someone had been working on this in the past as the fan shroud was already cut horizontaly(which made my life easier). I am trying to sort through whatever mods were added by previous POs.

I did a complete belt job, valve adjustment, oil change, lube, etc. and the truck runs great even with 250K on the clock. Wrenching on it in the yard is the worst part. (especially now that the remnanats of Sandy are here)

[speeder]

So pretty much everyone involved in this discussion is named Eric, right?

[onewhippedpuppy]

Consider doing a desmog if you can get away with it in your area. It made a night and day difference in the performance and drivability of the 3FE in my FJ80. I believe the USA was the only market that received that pathetic afterthought of an emissions system.

BTW, iH8Mud is the only BBS that is the equal of Pelican as far as technical know-how, at least that I have encountered. It is a huge resource for a Land Cruiser owner. If you are not a member you should be.

[look 171]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Consider doing a desmog if you can get away with it in your area. It made a night and day difference in the performance and drivability of the 3FE in my FJ80. I believe the USA was the only market that received that pathetic afterthought of an emissions system.

BTW, iH8Mud is the only BBS that is the equal of Pelican as far as technical know-how, at least that I have encountered. It is a huge resource for a Land Cruiser owner. If you are not a member you should be.

What did you removed? I am wondering if they are the same on the 62?

[onewhippedpuppy]

It's almost the exact same on the FJ62. Remove the EGR and cap the hole in the intake and exhaust manifold, remove the air pump, remove the cat. It also greatly simplifies the vacuum lines in the engine bay and makes the engine easier to work on.

There's some good reading here, and I link to several other helpful threads: Desmog 92 FJ80 HUGE MPG increase.

Note that the bbs in the line are to disable the EGR (vs remove) and hide the desmog from the smog nazis. I just removed everything, which I would highly recommend.

[slakjaw]

Wish it were that easy on a FJ-60

[kaisen]

Here's the email back:

"The one on the right is a late model 80 series radiator. The one on the left is an 88 FJ62 radiator. I think the one you have there is definitely a 62 radiator. The earlier 80 radiators were brass but the transmission lines and filler were configured the same. I was thinking about that some more and 80 series had the filler right on the top whereas 62s have the filler neck. My guess is they probably sent an 80 radiator. Have him switch the year to like 1989 to get the correct one. My guess is that it is going to be a lot more expensive too. "



62 vs 80 radiator

[unclebilly]

My wife drives a 97 Lexus LX450 (read landcruiser 80 series). If you need any measurements or photos, let me know.

Hers is a pretty neat truck, it has factory lockers and a JDM winch and factory bumper. I have as TRD supercharger but have not installed it yet.

[aigel]

Not to be a smart azz, but radiators are a local buy only for me, so I can leave them at the store right away if they don't fit. And they usually don't!

Good Luck!

G

[look 171]

Originally Posted by unclebilly

My wife drives a 97 Lexus LX450 (read landcruiser 80 series). If you need any measurements or photos, let me know.

Hers is a pretty neat truck, it has factory lockers and a JDM winch and factory bumper. I have as TRD supercharger but have not installed it yet.

On man I wanted one of those for my old 80. Let me know how it goes, I mean go.

[look 171]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

It's almost the exact same on the FJ62. Remove the EGR and cap the hole in the intake and exhaust manifold, remove the air pump, remove the cat. It also greatly simplifies the vacuum lines in the engine bay and makes the engine easier to work on.

There's some good reading here, and I link to several other helpful threads: Desmog 92 FJ80 HUGE MPG increase.

Note that the bbs in the line are to disable the EGR (vs remove) and hide the desmog from the smog nazis. I just removed everything, which I would highly recommend.

Can't do it around here. I will advice my workmen about it and have it put back for smog check.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by look 171

Can't do it around here. I will advice my workmen about it and have it put back for smog check.

For those of you in the great state of CA using bbs in the vacuum lines to disable the EGR, removing the air pump belt, and gutting the cat would get you there. Dunno about passing smog though. I only got around to disabling the EGR and removing the air pump, the difference was dramatic. Note that doing this on a '95+ OBDII FZJ80 will give you a CEL, there's some additional work required to do it cleanly.

[onewhippedpuppy]

As you can see, it really cleans up the engine bay.

[Eric 951]

Thanks to all for the help. Kisen--that photo was perfect. Looks like I have the correct stock rad for a 62, and the one which was sent is for an 80--even though the supplier and mfg both have it listed as fitting a 62(I verified their PN twice prior to ordering).

I ordered the correct replacement from a different vendor, as raditaor barn only carries the one which was sent (which is for an 80) but insists that it fits the 62 as well(it doesn't).

I wish I could do the de-smog, but the annual emissions testing here prevents that. Hopefully the rig will be back on the road next week.

Thanks again.

[Vin-barrett]

Sorry for off-topic but where are you guys getting your LC parts?
Is there a good online source sort of like Pelican?
Seems like Toyota is very protective of part # info. Is there a part catalog online somewhere?

Ive had my 94' for years and would like to freshen up some stuff.

[craigster59]

Specter Off-Road, Inc. Land Cruiser Parts and Accessories

[Steve F]

Also http://www.coolcruisers.com/