H.M.S Bounty

yellowperil · 10-31-2012, 03:34 AM

Tragic end to a great sailing ship, built at Lunenburg, NS.. One would think they
maybe shouldn't have been out in hurricane conditions. Very sad news, all along
the east coast, but Sandy managed to by-pass our area (maritimes) this time. Thoughts and prayers go out to all those who are suffering from this now and perhaps for many days to come. Hope things go well for all of you.

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

Why in **** was that out to sea during this storm?

Jim Richards · 10-31-2012, 04:09 AM

Some real bad judgment there.

cashflyer · 10-31-2012, 04:23 AM

Por_sha911 · Por_sha911's Garage

Maybe some of the crew wanted to sail her safely out of harms way but the captain refused and charged them with mutiny?

Dottore · 10-31-2012, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Richards

Some real bad judgment there.

Agreed. I'm not surprised the captain is missing.

targa911S · 10-31-2012, 04:57 AM

nor I.

sammyg2 · 10-31-2012, 05:41 AM

And it was only 52 years old. That's too young to die.

yellowperil · 10-31-2012, 05:50 AM

As you may or may not know the one confirmed death was a woman, a direct relative of Fletcher Christian. The coast guard is still searching for the Capt alto
one would think his chances are slim. The ship looks likely to be salvageable, if they can get to it in time. Who knows, she may break up in those seas.

yellowperil · 10-31-2012, 05:54 AM

She was built at the same shipyard as the Bluenose, in Nova Scotia so she might be sturdy enough to last a bit.

cairns · 10-31-2012, 06:18 AM

I've been on that boat- this is a real shame.

URY914 · 10-31-2012, 12:20 PM

Safer at sea than tied to a dock.

Hugh R · 10-31-2012, 12:24 PM

During the filming of Pirates 2, we had a hurricane coming into Grand Bahama Island where we were located. We scuttled a couple of ships and refloated them rather than chance having them tied to a dock.

Jim Richards · 10-31-2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by URY914

Safer at sea than tied to a dock.

Clearly not in this case. Safer anchored in the lee of an island or other stretch of land the offers protection from the wind, along with proper deployment of ground tackle.

I spent a lot of time on a WWII-era tin can, off of Cape Hatteras in storm conditions. That's no damn fun. Sailing a tall ship from CT to FL, knowing that storm is coming at you, is shear stupidity. That ship should've stayed in port.

Hugh R · 10-31-2012, 12:31 PM

Simple, open up the bilge pump drains, sink it. Send divers down, close the bilge pump drains, put in big ass air bags, pump air in from the surface, which pushes the water out, the ship rises. Actually its a little more complicate than that and dangerous to the divers.

Bill Verburg · Bill Verburg's Garage

It's a shame to lose the boat and apparently the Captain and 1 crew member, the crewman was a descendant of Fletcher Christian

They stopped at our yard a few years ago to raise the masts after a passage through the Erie Canal from the Great Lakes

The wheels is famous having been seen in innumerable sea flicks

TRE Cup · TRE Cup's Garage

I am certainly no sailor, but heard an interview with an experienced hand who had served aboard this ship.
you don't leave ships tied up to docks when there are storm surges; its a recipe for destruction as the ship slams into the dock. You put out to sea, and on the face of it, looks like the captain misjudged how far he could out pace the storm.
And more importantly; once you lose propulsion , as the Bounty had, then you can't face the waves properly. So it took on water and that was it.

Rest in peace for the crew that was lost

Seahawk · 10-31-2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Richards

I spent a lot of time on a WWII-era tin can, off of Cape Hatteras in storm conditions. That's no damn fun.

So the "green room" isn't a mystery to you....at least that is what we called it, water over the bridge.

Much respect. I did a few FFG cruises, but, damn.

I am not in the habit of second guessing ships captains, but this was not the storm to venture into without serious propulsion aft. God rest their souls.

yellowperil · 10-31-2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Richards

Clearly not in this case. Safer anchored in the lee of an island or other stretch of land the offers protection from the wind, along with proper deployment of ground tackle.

I spent a lot of time on a WWII-era tin can, off of Cape Hatteras in storm conditions. That's no damn fun. Sailing a tall ship from CT to FL, knowing that storm is coming at you, is shear stupidity. That ship should've stayed in port.

I would agree with Jim, that ship should never have been out in such a storm. It's one thing to get caught by a sudden storm but this one was well broadcast, should have sought shelter.

Jim Richards · 10-31-2012, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TRE Cup

you don't leave ships tied up to docks when there are storm surges; its a recipe for destruction as the ship slams into the dock. You put out to sea

Sure, for larger modern ships, this makes sense. Our destroyer would leave port (Norfolk, VA) to ride out hurricanes at sea. I can't tell you how bad that sucked to ride out the storm at sea. But not for a 180 foot wooden ship with sails as the primary means of propulsion. The risk to lives is so much greater, IMO.