Where have all the Hummers (H2) gone?

[aigel]

From what I read here, I truly believe they were shipped off to other states like TX where people may still embrace the vehicle and <10 MPG.



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[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

Funny I was wondering this the other day too. Not just the H2s but the Suburbans, Navigators, Escalades and other behemoths from the mid-2000s when boorish "conspicuous consumptionism" stupidity oozed from every street corner almost as readily as fake paper profits from bubble-based real estate transactions.

For one I'm glad those things are (mostly) off the road now. I said it then and I'll stand by it now. The world is a better place with those things heading to the scrapyards of the American hinterlands en masse. To each their own but I certainly won't/don't miss em!

Whoever thought that it was a good idea to put 6,000 and 7,000 pound, poor-handling, overpriced rebodied pickups into the hands of every no-driving-skills, cell-phone yammering, latte-sipping, text messaging, distracted Suzy Soccermom and/or arrogant "my-self-indulgent-ego-masturbation-is-more-important-than-your-family's-life" a-hole out there was tokin' the wacky weed they just legalized in CO and WA!

Good riddance!

Sorry I haven't had a good rant in a while... Felt good!

I'm still waiting on someone to create a better way to carry my 3 kids plus their stuff and haul my boat every weekend of the summer. My old Armada and current F150 Supercrew both fit the bill better than anything else, and get nearly 20 MPG while doing so.

Sincerely,
An arrogant a-hole

[ted]

Years ago was told "if you follow a Hummer it will take you to a foreclosure".

more Hummer humor...many photos from outside Texas.
FUH2 | **** You And Your H2

[masraum]

Texas is full of anything big, the bigger the better. I don't see many Excursions, but they are around. It's also pretty rare that I see an H1.

Here in Texas a lot of people really use their big trucks, but there are also a lot of folks have them because they are a status symbol.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

I'm still waiting on someone to create a better way to carry my 3 kids plus their stuff and haul my boat every weekend of the summer. My old Armada and current F150 Supercrew both fit the bill better than anything else, and get nearly 20 MPG while doing so.

Sincerely,
An arrogant a-hole

I only had one sister, but we also spent a lot of weekends on the boat when I was a kid and we never needed an SUV. Somehow, Dad's tiny Toyota pickup always did the job. Of course, back then we were allowed to ride in the truck bed, rode bicycles without helmets and sometimes ran with scissors. I think people probably had more kids when I was growing up (at least they did at a younger age), yet station wagons seemed to do the work everyone thinks only SUVs can do now.

[matt f]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

I'm still waiting on someone to create a better way to carry my 3 kids plus their stuff and haul my boat every weekend of the summer. My old Armada and current F150 Supercrew both fit the bill better than anything else, and get nearly 20 MPG while doing so.

Sincerely,
An arrogant a-hole

100% agree.
Keep your prius or whatever makes you sleep at night because you think you're saving the world. I'm more concerned with saving my family.

[ted]

Originally Posted by matt f

100% agree.
Keep your prius or whatever makes you sleep at night because you think you're saving the world. I'm more concerned with saving my family.

Is it true trucks and SUVs have different or lower safety standards than passenger cars?
I feel less safe with respect to vehicle control in a high CG vehicle.
Jeep Grand Cherokee moose test -- the full story - YouTube
you don't need to understand the language to see the danger...
Toyota Hilux fails the Moose test - YouTube

At one point there was discussion of raising the insurance rates on SUVs because statically in an accident the drivers of smaller cars might not survive an accident with an SUV. Perhaps driving an SUV is safer if you are hit by another SUV?

It is a relief that for whatever reasons SUVs are not being handed down to young inexperienced drivers.
Perhaps parents rather their kids drive a more efficient higher mpg car.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

I only had one sister, but we also spent a lot of weekends on the boat when I was a kid and we never needed an SUV. Somehow, Dad's tiny Toyota pickup always did the job. Of course, back then we were allowed to ride in the truck bed, rode bicycles without helmets and sometimes ran with scissors. I think people probably had more kids when I was growing up (at least they did at a younger age), yet station wagons seemed to do the work everyone thinks only SUVs can do now.

Sure, let's all get V8 domestic wagons that seat 9. That solves everything!!!!

As much as we all enjoy a trip down memory lane, you need to temper it with a little reality. Just for fun I looked up a 1990s Chevy Caprice wagon, which is pretty similar to the old school family trucksters that many of us rode in as kids. It is 4 inches shorter than a 2012 Suburban. Per fueleconomy.gov it also gets 17 MPG combined, the exact same as a new Suburban. It is also less powerful, has less interior volume, and cannot tow nearly as much. Obviously the older wagons would have less power, worse MPG, and were bigger, but it's harder to find much data on them. So you can take solace in the fact that family wagons of your youth were actually mediocre Suburbans with less ground clearance.

[Scott R]

Where is Eric? He can pull the auction stats and tell us where they went. Or at least where they are being sold.

[gsxrken]

I think the H1's are sick, the rest are for posers.
Regarding the large SUVs bought under Bush's $1.86 a gallon, part of it is that if you're in one now it doesn't make any sense to bail simply for gas mileage. My wife's 2007 Tahoe gets about 13.5MPG average for her toting around 4 kids 12,000 miles a year. Something that got 20MPG would save 250 gallons annually or about $1k a year.
Who's going to spend $40k on something smaller to save $1k annually in gasoline?

[matt f]

Originally Posted by ted

Is it true trucks and SUVs have different or lower safety standards than passenger cars?
I feel less safe with respect to vehicle control in a high CG vehicle.
Jeep Grand Cherokee moose test -- the full story - YouTube
you don't need to understand the language to see the danger...
Toyota Hilux fails the Moose test - YouTube

At one point there was discussion of raising the insurance rates on SUVs because statically in an accident the drivers of smaller cars might not survive an accident with an SUV. Perhaps driving an SUV is safer if you are hit by another SUV?

It is a relief that for whatever reasons SUVs are not being handed down to young inexperienced drivers.
Perhaps parents rather their kids drive a more efficient higher mpg car.

Of course SUV's don't handle like a passenger car and i don't drive mine like it does. Educated drivers are the answer.

I do remember ins. co.'s were thinking about raising the rates on SUV's because of the damage differential when in an accident with a car. Never made any sense to me. Kind of like raising the fire ins. rate of a concrete house in a neighborhood of stick built homes.

A majority of my friends children drive SUV's, in fact many would only buy their children SUV's. They gladly pay the gas bill. They value safety over economy.

Perhaps my friends and I are the anomaly in this.

[ted]

Originally Posted by matt f

They value safety over economy.

No doubt a popular view.
I would sacrifice economy for safety in a heartbeat.

Is an SUV safer in a roll?
A non SUV handles and stops better.
Is the Crossover replacing the SUV? why?

Currently drive a 1996 4WD 4dr Jimmy.
The driving experience like sitting on a beach ball, waste of gas.
2 me the Jimmy has no more side protection than our old Passat.
The Passat does everything better than the Jimmy.
Not that any of this matters ...

[matt f]

Originally Posted by ted

No doubt a popular view.
I would sacrifice economy for safety in a heartbeat.

Is an SUV safer in a roll?
A non SUV handles and stops better.
Is the Crossover replacing the SUV? why?

Currently drive a 1996 4WD 4dr Jimmy.
The driving experience like sitting on a beach ball, waste of gas.
2 me the Jimmy has no more side protection than our old Passat.
The Passat does everything better than the Jimmy.
Not that any of this matters ...

Boils down to personal preference.
We can agree that education is lacking in the U.S. i believe.

I like the beach ball analogy. That's the instructor in you.
I often describe mine as driving a sofa.

[onewhippedpuppy]

If you can't comprehend that a big, tall, heavy truck cannot corner and stop as well as a small car, frankly you aren't qualified to be driving ANYTHING. Hard to blame the car for the stupidity of the owner. My wife encountered steel road debris that fell off of a trailer in front of her at highway speed, fortunately she drove right through it and was able to control her left rear tire blowing out. She knows that her F150 isn't a sports car and that a swerve was the wrong response.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by gsxrken

Who's going to spend $40k on something smaller to save $1k annually in gasoline?

Many, many millons of Americans who are very bad at math. See photo below. I took this one in a book store.

[scottmandue]

Don't hold back P-O-P tell us how you really feel!

However I concur with the fine gentleman... I have no problem with someone driving a giant truck/SUV if you are hauling a 4 to 6 horse trailer, +30 foot boat, etc.

But most you see around Lost Angeles have +10K chrome low profile rims, $20-30K paint job, bumping their 50K watt stereo... and never more than two passengers.

And around my hood they have gone the way of the buffalo... seeing a lot more practical vehicles on the highways these days.

YMMV
PS, Ironically the Cerittos hummer dealer is now a smart car dealership... I kid you not!

[ted]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

She knows that her F150 isn't a sports car and that a swerve was the wrong response.

Kudos to your wife.

The swerve is called accident avoidance.
Why be satisfied with a car/truck that cant swerve around an obstruction?
When my car can avoid an accident my family and I are safer imho.

In these accidents seems the SUVs fair as poorly as the cars.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/oFkw5JFOmHk

[onewhippedpuppy]

You have to know the limitations of your vehicle, as well as yourself. For example, most serious deer/car accidents aren't caused by deer, they are caused by drivers swerving to avoid deer. The average driver and vehicle are not equipped to make extreme avoidance maneuvers at 70 MPH. In my truck I would just drive right through them, with little concern of one coming through the windshield.

[Noah930]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

...when I was a kid ... we never needed an SUV. Somehow, Dad's tiny Toyota pickup always did the job. ... yet station wagons seemed to do the work everyone thinks only SUVs can do now.

In all fairness, mandatory child seat laws have done a lot to making SUVs and minivans necessities for families with kids. It's nearly impossible to find a car (or station wagon, which are now an automotive rarity compared to when we grew up) which will allow 3 car seats across the back. So you can't stick a kid in the front, and you can only fit 2 in the back. Seems OK if you have 2 kids...until your kids inevitably want friends to come over to play, run a carpool, etc. Suddenly the average nuclear American family with 2.4 kids and a dog "needs" an SUV (which is wide enough to fit 3 car seats across) or a minivan.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by Noah930

In all fairness, mandatory child seat laws have done a lot to making SUVs and minivans necessities for families with kids. It's nearly impossible to find a car (or station wagon, which are now an automotive rarity compared to when we grew up) which will allow 3 car seats across the back. So you can't stick a kid in the front, and you can only fit 2 in the back. Seems OK if you have 2 kids...until your kids inevitably want friends to come over to play, run a carpool, etc. Suddenly the average nuclear American family with 2.4 kids and a dog "needs" an SUV (which is wide enough to fit 3 car seats across) or a minivan.

Don't forget those rear facing seats in some of the old wagons, and my Toyota PU, while fine for the Lewis Craft run-a-bout, can't match my Suburban 2500 for towing the track cars & gear for a weekend at the track..