Renting plane to go over mountains. How much plane?

[HardDrive]

I'd like to rent a piloted plane to take my family and I on a private tour of Puget Sound. We are moving away this summer, and wanted to do something special.

Only one kid, so its just the 3 of us. How much plane do we need to safely go over Stevens Pass? The top of ski area there is roughly 5600ft. Is a 172 sufficient? Safety is my primary concern. Other options?

[J P Stein]

I've lived my whole life in the PNW.

Crossing the mountains in a light plane in winter/spring is a bad idea.....I've done it myself on business....the family was not part of the plan. There are a lot of folks that made the choice to do that and are still there. I'm fairly sure that all of them had a different goal in mind.

That said, I'm also sure that you can easily find 1000 guys willing to take you and your loved ones on the hop.......and the vast majority would make it.

[gshase]

As a pilot I would suggest something on floats like a Beaver. A 172 would be fine but passenger weight limits might be an issue. Ma'am please step on the scale.

[9dreizig]

the FBO that you'll be renting (technically chartering) from will be able to advise you what they have and will be safe.. 172 is pretty anemic to go over a pass..

[MT930]

I would get a seaplane scenic of Seattle and the sound, several airtaxi operators at lake union.

When we stay in Seattle we stay on the Lake just to watch the seaplanes.

That's the way to see that City from the Air. 172 Or 182 would safely transition Stevens pass on calm day my pick would be a Beaver on floats.

[ckelly78z]

Dehavilland DHC-2 Beaver is what is used all over Alaska as the most powerful, reliable, and capable bush plane especially when on floats.

[tevake]

Isn't the beaver a 8/10 pass. plane?
Your plan sounds fun.

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by tevake

Isn't the beaver a 8/10 pass. plane?
Your plan sounds fun.

I believe you're thinking of an Otter (turbine example):


Beaver (radial example):

[cashflyer]

I own a 172. A pilot plus 3 is a very full load, and I would not do it.
182 perhaps. 210 or 206 would be much better.

I don't know what charter rates are. Real, legal Charter operators must have an Air Carrier certificate. You can also find operators who can run a "sightseeing" flight, which must remain within 25sm of the departure point.

Perhaps think about a helicopter?
Shop around. You can get into a Jetranger for as little as $750 per hour in some areas.

[UncleRay]

^^^Good advice. Give yourself a better margin of safety.

[Hard-Deck]

I would not do it in a 172. Advice of larger, commercial operators is good.

Also, I just moved from Columbus. PM me if you want/need info.

[Tim Hancock]

Safely clearing 5600' in a 172 seems like no big deal to me especially with 2 of the passengers being a kid and a wife. I do not recall exactly what the published ceiling at gross weight is for all the years of 172's, but I am fairly confident they are all good to at least 12000'.

[Hard-Deck]

Mountain waves and possible box canyons suck. I flew into Jackson, Wy from Logan, Ut in my youth, prior to fighter days in both 172/182. I'd never do it again in a 172.

[widgeon13]

If you can charter a turbine Beaver on floats, that would be my first choice.

[widgeon13]

Grumman Goose would also be a great experience.

[spuggy]

Used to get 4 full-sized folks with skydiving gear into a 180 series; DZ's would run those to 8,000 AGL all day long. It'd go higher, but didn't make economic sense for experienced jumpers; take too long/burn too much fuel. But they'd do it for tandems - done a number of two-ways from a Cessna with a tandem master/customer on board. Those were 10,500 AGL minimum.

I'll always remember the one that stuck in the door and the tandem master had to peel him off the airframe limb-by-limb before he could get out. LOL. It was almost worth him running the spot so far out we dumped 1500 ft higher than usual and STILL had to land on the gold course...

[James Brown]

contact northwest sky ferry, there 206's are perfect for this and they run all over washington. Northwest Sky Ferry | Bellingham's Only Locally-Owned Airline

[carambola]

G-650

[cashflyer]

The 172 can do it, but placing 4 people in a 172 is tighter than some paying customers want, plus the climb performance is reduced. Some people don't want to sit in a plane while it struggles up to 6100 to 6600ft to clear the mountains. (ground height plus minimum clearance, FAR 91.119).

For a 172M, you have a useful load of ~900 lb.
I assume an adult pilot, two adult parents, and a child.
FAA "average weights" (AC 120-27E, Table 1.1, with carry-on items): 200 male, 179 female, 82 child
Deduct 150lb for fuel = 750
Deduct pilot = 550
Deduct family = 89 pounds of useful load remaining. Assuming everything is within CG, the plane is ok with the weight in this scenario.

[HardDrive]

Originally Posted by James Brown

contact northwest sky ferry, there 206's are perfect for this and they run all over washington. Northwest Sky Ferry | Bellingham's Only Locally-Owned Airline

Thanks! Looks like a good bet.