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sammyg2 04-23-2015 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 8590411)
What would convince the Tebow fans that he is not competent to be an NFL QB?. Suppose the Eagles cut him without starting him, would that convince?. Or would he actually have to be the starting QB for several games, and then be cut?

I have no particular view on Tebow, just asking about the depth of his fans' faith in him.

You are absolutely right!
In 2011 when the broncos, a mediocre team at best then, had one win and 4 losses with a REAL pro quarterback.
Because of enourmous pressure from thousands of fans (who obviously know nothing about football) calling for Tebow, tebow, tebow the coach put him in the game. It was risky, Tebow had almost no NFL experience and has hurt by the strike-shorted preseason where he could have prepared more.
But the coach said what the heck, 50,000 very vocal people can't all be wrong..............

And all the broncos did with that non-pro quarterback was win 6 out of the next 7 games, make the playoffs, and beat the steelers before losing to the patriots.

I haven't checked, has any other quarterback ever lost to the patriots in the playoffs?
I'm certain the seattle sea-chickens didn't lose to the patriots that year in the playoffs, they only won 7 games all season. Same number as Tebow won in only 8 games.

Anyway, that year was obviously a total fluke, those 7 games they won with tebow were all flukes, REALITY is a fluke, the only thing that is real is someone's opinion based on something else besides what really happened. If we re-write history (as if a habit of people "over there on that side") tebow didn't actually win any games or throw any touchdown passes or run for any touchdowns and he and his team failed miserably.


There is an undeniable truth here, and without parfing this up I will state that thruth:

There are lots of folks out there who would like for tebow to fail. They would rather see a low-life thug covered in gang tats succeed that Tebow.
And the reason for that is because of tebow's display of his religious beliefs. His John 3:16 glare stickers on his face, his kneeling on the field, etc.
Take a good look at the people who want tebow to succeed and take a look at those who don't.

With a few exceptions, they pair up line by line with categories that seperate people in PARF.

It really is that polarizing.

BReif61 04-23-2015 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 8590741)
You are absolutely right!
In 2011 when the broncos, a mediocre team at best then, had one win and 4 losses with a REAL pro quarterback.
Because of enourmous pressure from thousands of fans (who obviously know nothing about football) calling for Tebow, tebow, tebow the coach put him in the game. It was risky, Tebow had almost no NFL experience and has hurt by the strike-shorted preseason where he could have prepared more.
But the coach said what the heck, 50,000 very vocal people can't all be wrong..............

And all the broncos did with that non-pro quarterback was win 6 out of the next 7 games, make the playoffs, and beat the steelers before losing to the patriots.

I haven't checked, has any other quarterback ever lost to the patriots in the playoffs?
I'm certain the seattle sea-chickens didn't lose to the patriots that year in the playoffs, they only won 7 games all season. Same number as Tebow won in only 8 games.

Anyway, that year was obviously a total fluke, those 7 games they won with tebow were all flukes, REALITY is a fluke, the only thing that is real is someone's opinion based on something else besides what really happened. If we re-write history (as if a habit of people "over there on that side") tebow didn't actually win any games or throw any touchdown passes or run for any touchdowns and he and his team failed miserably.


There is an undeniable truth here, and without parfing this up I will state that thruth:

There are lots of folks out there who would like for tebow to fail. They would rather see a low-life thug covered in gang tats succeed that Tebow.
And the reason for that is because of tebow's display of his religious beliefs. His John 3:16 glare stickers on his face, his kneeling on the field, etc.
Take a good look at the people who want tebow to succeed and take a look at those who don't.

With a few exceptions, they pair up line by line with categories that seperate people in PARF.

It really is that polarizing.

There is no grand conspiracy, no one is wishing him to fail because of his faith. No one looks forward to him in the NFL because he sucks, plain and simple. Career QBR of 33.4. That's just bad.

Source

Paul_Heery 04-23-2015 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 8590702)
Jay Feely?

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After going undrafted in the 1999 NFL Draft, Feely kicked for the Florida Bobcats of the Arena Football League. That season, he went 2-for-5 in field goal attempts and 8-for-13 in extra point attempts.

So what? I do not understand the point that you are trying to make. This has nothing to do with his proficiency in kicking a football. Feely is making an observation based on experience that no one on this forum possesses. He has been on all of the NFL teams listed below and has seen good & bad quarterbacks,some of which were very bad. And, as the video shows, he makes a statement that categorizes Tebow with, "...he was the single worst quarterback I ever saw in my career in the NFL”.

Below are the teams that Feely has been with over his career in the NFL presented by year along with the QBs that actually made the roster in those seasons. To say that Tebow is worse than some of the 4th stringers on this list is a significant statement.

Atlanta Falcons (2001–2004)
Michael Vick / Matt Schaub / Doug Johnson / Kurt Kittner / Chris Chandler

New York Giants (2005–2006)
Tim Hasselbeck / Jared Lorenzen / Eli Manning

Miami Dolphins (2007)
John Beck / Casey Bramlet / Trent Green / Cleo Lemon

Kansas City Chiefs (2008)
Brodie Croyle / Damon Huard / Tyler Thigpen

New York Jets (2008–2009)
Kellen Clemens / Brett Favre / Brett Ratliff / Erik Ainge / Kevin O'Connell / Mark Sanchez

Arizona Cardinals (2010–2014)
Derek Anderson / Richard Bartel / John Skelton / Max Hall / Kevin Kolb / Brian Hoyer / Ryan Lindley / Carson Palmer / Drew Stanton / Logan Thomas

Chicago Bears (2014)
Jimmy Clausen / Jay Cutler / David Fales

BReif61 04-23-2015 06:43 AM

Also, the Raven's won the damn Super Bowl after they replaced Tony Banks with Trent Dilfer. NFL teams can win with ****ty QBs when the rest of the team doesn't suck.

sammyg2 04-23-2015 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BReif61 (Post 8590805)
There is no grand conspiracy, no one is wishing him to fail because of his faith. No one looks forward to him in the NFL because he sucks, plain and simple. Career QBR of 33.4. That's just bad.

And I say without reserve that is BS.

I see it in this thread. I see it in the three Tebow threads in PARF. It is real, it is there.

Heck if I had time I'd spread sheet the darn thing, with pro/con Tebow and correlate it to liberal/conservative and also Christian/atheist and we'd see the direct correlation plot on the graph with only a few scatter deviations.

Lapkritis 04-23-2015 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BReif61 (Post 8590809)
NFL teams can win with ****ty QBs when the rest of the team doesn't suck.

...and that's why Cowboy's fans still watch the games. :cool:

madmmac 04-23-2015 07:51 AM

Chip will get Mariota via giving a couple of QB's away and a pick to move up and get him.

Chip will keep Tebow and will be running his old Oregon spread offense in the NFL.

The issue I see is that the linebackers in the NFL are all a lot faster than in college. Remember when some NFL teams "tried" the triple option because the Wishbone was so effective in college? It did not work in the NFL due to the speed of all the linebackers and how long the plays take to develop.

But, Chip uses misdirection and knows how to use a defenses strengths against them. His plays do not take long to develop and all he wants from a defensive player is just the slightest hesitation for his plays to work. He'll be looking for a real speed burner for a running back who can also catch.

I said it years ago that somebody would finally try to install an offense in the NFL without the standard drop back QB. I'm thinking it is finally coming. And Chip is always fun to watch and listen to.

Moses 04-23-2015 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by madmmac (Post 8590976)
Chip will get Mariota via giving a couple of QB's away and a pick to move up and get him.

Chip will keep Tebow and will be running his old Oregon spread offense in the NFL.

The issue I see is that the linebackers in the NFL are all a lot faster than in college. Remember when some NFL teams "tried" the triple option because the Wishbone was so effective in college? It did not work in the NFL due to the speed of all the linebackers and how long the plays take to develop.

But, Chip uses misdirection and knows how to use a defenses strengths against them. His plays do not take long to develop and all he wants from a defensive player is just the slightest hesitation for his plays to work. He'll be looking for a real speed burner for a running back who can also catch.

I said it years ago that somebody would finally try to install an offense in the NFL without the standard drop back QB. I'm thinking it is finally coming. And Chip is always fun to watch and listen to.

Finally...

You are absolutely right.

sammyg2 04-23-2015 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul_Heery (Post 8590622)

LOL, tweet from Colts punter Pat McAfee:
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Tim Tebow's prayer tonight Lord, thank you for everything, I pray tomorrow I wake up and you tell me who the hell Jay Feely is.
Amen— Pat McAfee (@PatMcAfeeShow) April 22, 2015

How many ex-place kickers are head coaches in the NFL? How many are QB coaches? How many are professional analysts on ESPN?
That's what I thought.

I have played the game. Not at the pro level but I have spent my time on that field.
Place Kickers in the college and pro ranks are generally regarded as "not real foolball players".
My point is his opinion means absolutely squat.


And this why:
I've stated in this forum that I believed tebow's throwing motion was too slow and predictable to be successful in the nfl as a passer, because the defensive backs are so quick they can anticipate and intercept a higher percentage that with other quartbacks. I can dig it up if neccesaary.
I have also posted that Tebow has been working very hard with experts for two years to change that release motion.
A motion that NONE OF US have seen recently, NONE OF US know what he can do and can't, except for the Eagles.
Yet we have experts in PPOT who are absolutely convinced that he hasn't gotten better. They KNOW he can't throw the ball. Because that's how they want it to be.
Because they want him to fail.

In 2011 when he was more successful than most of the quarterbacks in the league, he was basically a rookie.
He was thrown to the wolves and he kicked butt.

How many rookie QBs have we seen fall flat on their faces when put into the game before they were ready? Jonnie freaking football my arse. OOOh I need to go to rehab like the rest of the sissies.


What if Tebow had the advantage of a real preseason, a real offseason with the coaches and team to learn the systems, what if he had a couple more years maturity and time to prepare? He has that now.

I've also stated in PPOT that Tebow's contributions on the field go way beyond throwing a fricking football.
He is big and strong and fast, as big and strong as most running backs in the league. He can run over linebackers at will. He is tougher than most linebackers.

And he is a leader. he makes those around him better (definition of a leader). he Motivates others, he INSPIRES others, he makes average players perform like they belong in the hall of fame. We have watched that happen in real time.

We used to call those intangibles and they turn into double-you's.

If he has improved his throwing motion to be quicker, more compact, and accurate and can combine that with this GOD GIVEN athletic ability the likes of which we haven't seen since Bo Jackson, and if he can combine that with more maturing and knowledge of the game, and if he can re-gain his confidence, there will no stopping him.
Those are a lot of IFs

Maybe the eagles are wrong. maybe he hasn't gotten better. Maybe his confidence is gone an he'll never be able to play again at the level he once did.
And that would be a shame.

But even if he falls flat on his face I will admire him, I will look up to him, I will wish we all were more like Tim tebow.
He is a great man who does great things and teaches the world lessons like "never give up, never quit, you can accomplish anything if you WORK hard enough".

If John Wayne were alive he'd wish he were more like Tim Tebow.



BTW for the haters: here's more reasons to be resentful, jealous, and spiteful:

Despite his giving more money to charity by age 27 than any of you will make in a lifetime, here's a picture of his house (and private golf course)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1429804576.jpg

And here are a few of the girls he's reportedly dated (proving he also has good taste):

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1429804923.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1429804954.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1429804981.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1429805002.jpg

jyl 04-23-2015 08:05 AM

Why is Kelly talking up Mariota so much, if he plans to trade up for him? Kind of bidding against himself. Best would be for him to plant a few seeds of doubt, even feed reporters a couple of "persons knowledgeable about Kelly say" seeds to run with. If he won't do that, then at least not tell everyone over and over how great Mariota is.

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Originally Posted by madmmac (Post 8590976)
Chip will get Mariota via giving a couple of QB's away and a pick to move up and get him.

Chip will keep Tebow and will be running his old Oregon spread offense in the NFL.

The issue I see is that the linebackers in the NFL are all a lot faster than in college. Remember when some NFL teams "tried" the triple option because the Wishbone was so effective in college? It did not work in the NFL due to the speed of all the linebackers and how long the plays take to develop.

But, Chip uses misdirection and knows how to use a defenses strengths against them. His plays do not take long to develop and all he wants from a defensive player is just the slightest hesitation for his plays to work. He'll be looking for a real speed burner for a running back who can also catch.

I said it years ago that somebody would finally try to install an offense in the NFL without the standard drop back QB. I'm thinking it is finally coming. And Chip is always fun to watch and listen to.


1990C4S 04-23-2015 08:17 AM

He needs to pray for a stronger arm, not hotter puzzy.

sammyg2 04-23-2015 08:28 AM

Has anyone mentioned that he was awarded First-team Academic All-American three year in a row?


IIRC he was also named a First-team All-American by: Associated Press, Football Writers Association of America, Walter Camp Football Foundation, Sporting News, Sports Illustrated, ESPN, CBS Sports, College Football News, Rivals.com, and Scout.com

And he was the Sports Illustrated College football Player of the Decade

Tim Tebow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

sammyg2 04-23-2015 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 1990C4S (Post 8591046)
He needs to pray for a stronger arm, not hotter puzzy.

LOL, strength has never been his limiting factor. It's always been his wind-up.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1429806806.jpg

stomachmonkey 04-23-2015 08:35 AM

That's not his house.

And he does not have his own private golf course.

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 8591012)

.....here's a picture of his house (and private golf course)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1429804576.jpg


biosurfer1 04-23-2015 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 8590741)
You are absolutely right!

And all the broncos did with that non-pro quarterback was win 6 out of the next 7 games, make the playoffs, and beat the steelers before losing to the patriots.

That's cute how quickly you skim over the loss to the Patriots, since it was more like an embarrassing beat down expected of a team with a "QB" of Tebow's caliber. Lets check the stats:

9-26 passing for a whopping 108 yards(typical of Tebow)
Of course, 0 passing TD's (again, typical)
5 sacks (let's blame the O-line, yay, thats it!)

You're right though, he did beat the Steelers in overtime. Must be nice to take advantage of a crappy division and get to host a home game against a team that had 4 more wins!
:rolleyes:

biosurfer1 04-23-2015 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 8591081)
That's not his house.

And he does not have his own private golf course.

LOL...come on stomachmonkey, you mean you don't have a parking lot at your house instead of a garage? And a row of electric golf carts? a white painted crosswalk?

Hm, you think maybe a COUNTY CLUB has all that?:confused:

Baz 04-23-2015 09:20 AM

SportsPickle
‏@sportspickle

Peyton Manning playoff winning percentage as Denver QB: .400

Tim Tebow playoff winning percentage as Denver QB: .500

Baz 04-23-2015 09:21 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7He5m6IcAARBWe.jpg

SoCal911T 04-23-2015 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 8591012)
And here are a few of the girls he's reportedly dated (proving he also has good taste):

Liking fake tits means you have good taste?

onewhippedpuppy 04-23-2015 09:48 AM

He's definitely a fan of boobies!


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