To Roust Or Not To Roust - Page 2

Por_sha911 · Por_sha911's Garage

True generosity and kindness is when you give to someone knowing that there is no way you will get something back in return. Everyone sucks up to the rich and beautiful folks hoping to get something back.
There are places (besides homeless shelters) that assist people in that position. This place helps families have a place to stay, create a resume, find work... Wolfe is on the right track but I suggest that you also give a hand up not just a hand out.

MT930 · 10-15-2013, 06:18 PM

I would point them to the river.

In my early 20's I preferred a van down near the river. Sparse population, easy washing.

I would guess in Portland there is more car camping than you would imagine.

dtw · 10-15-2013, 06:40 PM

I'd talk to them directly and/or call Catholic Charities before calling The Man.

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

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Originally Posted by jyl

By the way, I want to express my appreciation for you guys chiming in. I have both a moral compass and a sensibility scale, but sometimes they need a bit of calibrating.

My take on this generally is, "there but for the grace of god go i..."

We have a number of random people who "live" various means in/near my neighborhood. To date (knock on wood), no serious issues. They tend to be fairly invisible - a sad reality.

wdfifteen · wdfifteen's Garage

I would have a few words with them, scope them out, see what's up. Folks here have offered a range of options, but I wouldn't choose one until I knew more about them (the people in the van, not the folks here).

aigel · aigel's Garage

Would you have bought your house if it had been next to a trailer park? Didn't think so. So, why would you have the trailer park come to your house and tolerate it?

The main issue is the risk of your campers going non-linear, especially due to drugs. May be the nicest people when sober too. The fact that they live out of their car makes them high risk candidates for trouble.

Call me cold-hearted, but my family's safety is priority #1.

PS: Where do they take craps?

G

LWJ · 10-15-2013, 09:32 PM

My office is a few miles from JYL's home. Both are considered "nice" neighborhoods. His is nicer. We have a pretty good sized parking lot across the street where I often park. It is not a "towed" lot. There has been a couple in a tired Buick there a number of times. Definitely social security age. It tears me up to see Grandma and Grandpa living in a Buick. I tried to give them food once but they had made a departure...

On the other hand, we have had to chase crack heads down the street after car prowling. Damn. This is the sort of thing that has lots of wrong answers.

I think the best idea is to go meet your new neighbors. Whether they live in a house or a van, they are living near you. When you see the nazi tats you will then call the cops. If Granny is shivering in her comforter you might take a different tactic.

Good luck!
Larry

Evans, Marv · 10-15-2013, 09:46 PM

If there is any pattern to their staying near your house, I'd put in some time to scope them out to see what they seem like. Later if I thought they were approachable, I would talk to them to let them know the people in the area are aware of them & had their plate number & description of the van. After that, if you want to do any good deeds, that would be up to you.

Tobra · Tobra's Garage

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Originally Posted by nostatic

I think your answer is there.

Would you poke a skunk with a stick if you found one asleep?

You would watch it though. I see a skunk in the daytime, he is rabid until proven otherwise.

I would scope them out a bit before approaching, the drive by.

Go for a walk, see what the dog thinks of them maybe. If they are living in their car, I am sizing them up.

Geoz1 · 10-15-2013, 10:54 PM

Are you seeing "drug" trash laying around? If so, they're gone. If not, scope them out and use your gut instinct. Make your decision on what you witness of the way they carry themselves.

manbridge 74 · 10-15-2013, 11:06 PM

What kind of van?

tevake · 10-15-2013, 11:39 PM

As a former Vandaminium resident myself, I'd touch in with them to get a feel for who they are and then leave them be unless they become a problem. Maybe get them a little work if they seem interested.

I don't feel they are necessarily a detriment to the neighborhood if they are discreet and don't attract others to join the hood.

Cheers Richard

afterburn 549 · 10-16-2013, 03:35 AM

I lived in a VW van back in the day .(Not that I really wanted to)I had little choice, But i never bothered anyone.
If they are being good citizens , who cares? Why should you?
I think this is your opportunity to to offer help if possible .

ZOO · 10-16-2013, 03:47 AM

A simple act of kindness could save a life One never knows the long term impact of being kind to another human being.

Porsche-O-Phile · Porsche-O-Phile's Garage

Most of us are only a few missed paychecks away from a similar fate. I'd extend them the benefit of the doubt until being given a reason to not. Most likely they're honest people that have fallen upon hard times. In such a case I'd (depending on circumstances, and how the conversation went, etc.) offer them some help - food, blankets, a shower (as has been suggested), maybe a tank of gas. Never money. If OTOH they end up being hippie drug addicts or coming off as drifters/gypsies or whatever I'd report it immediately. That's got trouble written all over it.

We're going to see things like this start happening more and more to our fellow citizens in the months and years to come I'm afraid, and it's important to remember firstly that the true measure of ourselves and our own character is in how we deal with those who we find "undesirable" and secondly that the real enemies out there are the big corporations, the power elite that run government and radical extremists (i.e. people that want to either enslave or kill us all) - not one another. Help is seldom a bad course of action for our fellow man.

craigster59 · craigster59's Garage

Did this just happen recently with the Gov't shutdown of parks and other facilities? Maybe this is just temporary until things get going and they can stay somewhere with bathrooms and open spaces.

I've been there, but I worked at Leo Carrillo Beach and stayed in the campground for free. A long time ago and pretty much carefree life. I'd see how it unfolds, or just talk with them and see what their situation is and go from there.

afterburn 549 · 10-16-2013, 08:38 AM

A lot of good advice here. Do not assume the worse (of them ).

cashflyer · 10-16-2013, 08:52 AM

I would ask myself:
Why are they living in a van?
What are they doing for money?
Where did my power tools go?

afterburn 549 · 10-16-2013, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by cashflyer

I would ask myself:
Why are they living in a van?
What are they doing for money?
Where did my power tools go?

WOW, Kinda harsh
I lived in my Van for a least a year and a halve . never stole anything from anyone.

Por_sha911 · Por_sha911's Garage

Some attitudes (no one in particular) remind me of this:

Not everyone who has hard times are crooks or druggies. Don't you think that we who are blessed with so much should raise the class average of society by helping others instead of running them off? Again, lets give them help up and not a handout.