Walther PPK/S Failure to recock

[targa911S]

Originally Posted by Shuie

now THAT is awesome.

It ain't pretty, and it's only a .32, but I WOULD stake my life on this gun. It probably has had a thousand rounds through it. It goes bang every time. If I didn't know better I would swear it was a Colt. Yes Mark it is the one that walked in the door at the shop. My lucky day. Now if you like Walthers Bucky old buddy, we got one of these, A TPH .22 LR at the shop that is mint. Don't see these very often..



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_TPH

[Buckterrier]

Originally Posted by targa911S

Now if you like Walthers Bucky old buddy, we got one of these, A TPH .22 LR at the shop that is mint. Don't see these very often..

Now don't go all Higgy on me!! I looked at those in the day, nice little piece but wouldn't pull the trigger, (another great pun, I'm such a hoot ).

[targa911S]

what you don't want a $600.00 .22? Come on man!

[Flat Six]

Originally Posted by targa911S

It ain't pretty, and it's only a .32, but I WOULD stake my life on this gun. It probably has had a thousand rounds through it. It goes bang every time. If I didn't know better I would swear it was a Colt. Yes Mark it is the one that walked in the door at the shop. My lucky day. Now if you like Walthers Bucky old buddy, we got one of these, A TPH .22 LR at the shop that is mint. Don't see these very often..



Walther TPH - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wrong pic? That one says .25 ACP . . .

[targa911S]

I was referring to a previous post. #38. The gun in this pic is a TPH, not a PP.

[ledhedsymbols]

Originally Posted by Buckterrier

Beautiful grips Led, Hogues? I had a set of smooth Hogues on my West German made Walther & loved them. Grips are limited on the Smith made Walthers but I believe Hogue does made them for the S&W's.

I'm not sure who the maker of the grips is. They were on it when I bought it, and have no maker's markings on them.

A friend of mine has a Post-War Manhurin PP in .32, which was my introduction to Walther. It's a beautiful blued model, a real tackdriver, and a sweet shooting little pistol. Nothing I have ever shot points and holds like these pistols with an extension magazine in them!

[targa911S]

I agree with you. My 1911, my 1903 and 1908 colt hammeless guns and my walther are my favorite carries. My PP is a .32 as well. I had a 9 short PP but sold like a dumbass.

[on2wheels52]

Originally Posted by targa911S

OK I'll play. Here is my ugly pre war second variation PP. Made in zella mehlis in 1935.

My very first handgun memory is of my dad's PP bring back from the war. The near hydraulic(?) snick of the slide moving on the frame (and then not knowing what to do when the slide locked back). I was told a brother-in-law borrowed it for home protection and it was later stolen from their house.
I have it that the PP (Police Pistol) and K (k(c)riminal, we would say detective) were designed as .32 ACP. Any other caliber is something of a compromise.
As David would say, I'll play.



One of my better buys at the pawn shop.
Jim

[Shuie]

Now THAT is awesomer!!

They are a lot of fun in .22. I agree, tho, .32 is what they were made for.

[targa911S]

Jim that looks like a very early PPK if my eyes serve me right. 90 degree safety, lanyard loop, brown brown, this was a cops gun me thinks. She's a beauty. What year is she? http://www.tague.at/pistolen/index.htm?/PISTOLEN/pages/PPKSNdata.htm

[ledhedsymbols]

Originally Posted by targa911S

I agree with you. My 1911, my 1903 and 1908 colt hammeless guns and my walther are my favorite carries. My PP is a .32 as well. I had a 9 short PP but sold like a dumbass.

I have never seen a PP in 9mm Kurtz/.380 before, must be a rare bird as I know they were almost all made in 7.65mm/.32.

They can be a little bit of a handful in .380 There is a certain amount of bite to the recoil. Maybe the blowback design and the shape of the handle.... Thoughts? Regardless, I agree about shooting them in .32 they are an absolute joy. Shame about how anemic the caliber is. Still beats a stick in a fight though. I have heard discussions about using ball ammo rather than hollow-point rounds. The theory was that the round could penetrate or expand, but not both. Any opinions?

[ledhedsymbols]

Originally Posted by on2wheels52

My very first handgun memory is of my dad's PP bring back from the war. The near hydraulic(?) snick of the slide moving on the frame (and then not knowing what to do when the slide locked back). I was told a brother-in-law borrowed it for home protection and it was later stolen from their house.
I have it that the PP (Police Pistol) and K (k(c)riminal, we would say detective) were designed as .32 ACP. Any other caliber is something of a compromise.
As David would say, I'll play.


One of my better buys at the pawn shop.
Jim

I second that! Nice little pistol. I don't mind the holster wear etc on them. I think it gives them character.

[targa911S]

Originally Posted by ledhedsymbols

I have never seen a PP in 9mm Kurtz/.380 before, must be a rare bird as I know they were almost all made in 7.65mm/.32.

They can be a little bit of a handful in .380 There is a certain amount of bite to the recoil. Maybe the blowback design and the shape of the handle.... Thoughts? Regardless, I agree about shooting them in .32 they are an absolute joy. Shame about how anemic the caliber is. Still beats a stick in a fight though. I have heard discussions about using ball ammo rather than hollow-point rounds. The theory was that the round could penetrate or expand, but not both. Any opinions?

absolutely! They were all made to shoot ball. I qualified with a .32 colt. My instructor busted my balls about it, saying "never show up with a gun that don't start with a 4," but after he realized I could really shoot it, he backed off. I used to tell him " I got 8 shots, if that don't stop him I'll just throw the gun and run." I tell customers that shoot .380 to shoot ball as well, Better penetration. Absolutely. Especially in a cold climate where you have multiple layers of clothing to go through. You should be shooting ball in your PPK/S as well. I like .38 special as well in a wheel gun.

[targa911S]

yes a PP in .380 is rare. It was an interarms gun. In the box. I sold it for $800.

[ledhedsymbols]

We're there any Walther made or Manhurin made PPs in .380? Just curious if you have ever heard of one.

[targa911S]

yes.After World War II until 1986, all .32 ACP and .380 ACP Walther-authorized European-made PP-series pistols were produced by Manurhin of France. That includes even those Walthers with West German proof marks. Walthers displaying West German proofs were in fact shipped from Manurhin to Ulm for final assembly and testing. Only from 1986 onward, until the late 1990s, were Walther PP-series pistols once again made in Germany — at Walther’s manufacturing facility in Ulm.

[on2wheels52]

Thanks for the link David, now I know it was an early '35 model.
The RZM stamp above the magazine release is for Reichszeugmeisterei (quartermaster office).
I'll have to drag out the ones at the shop, but they're all post-war.
Jim

[Flat Six]

Originally Posted by targa911S

I was referring to a previous post. #38. The gun in this pic is a TPH, not a PP.

Got it; thanks. Sorry for my confusion.

[targa911S]

Originally Posted by on2wheels52

Thanks for the link David, now I know it was an early '35 model.
The RZM stamp above the magazine release is for Reichszeugmeisterei (quartermaster office).
I'll have to drag out the ones at the shop, but they're all post-war.
Jim

Cool! Glad to help. It's a PPK right?

[on2wheels52]

Originally Posted by targa911S

yes.After World War II until 1986, all .32 ACP and .380 ACP Walther-authorized European-made PP-series pistols were produced by Manurhin of France. That includes even those Walthers with West German proof marks. Walthers displaying West German proofs were in fact shipped from Manurhin to Ulm for final assembly and testing. Only from 1986 onward, until the late 1990s, were Walther PP-series pistols once again made in Germany — at Walther’s manufacturing facility in Ulm.

hmmmm
I have two post war .22 PPK's (as is the one in the photo). The near new condition one is a soulless Manurhin, black semi-thumb rest grips.
As for the 20%er with nice brown grips, if it didn't have made in West Germany stamped on it, I would have said it was pre-war.
Is there a site to look up serial #'s for the post war guns?
Jim