Where is the Outrage?

[Head416]

How is it any better to eat a steak? Did somebody stalk that cow and kill it with a sharp stick?

[dewolf]

Originally Posted by Head416

How is it any better to eat a steak? Did somebody stalk that cow and kill it with a sharp stick?

blah, blah, blah...some old crap. So you eat Lion or Black Rhino do you???

[Chocaholic]

I'll never understand how somebody can hate hunting, yet eat meat. I guess if you refuse to watch it happen, you're not responsible for the animals' deaths.

I'm a big fan of life-saving surgery...doesn't mean I care to watch it happen.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Originally Posted by Head416

How is it any better to eat a steak? Did somebody stalk that cow and kill it with a sharp stick?

Cows aren't majestic. Get with the program!

Originally Posted by dewolf

blah, blah, blah...some old crap. So you eat Lion or Black Rhino do you???

I'd sure give it a try if it was available.

[matt711]

They may be on shaky ground in LA but not in other areas. Where it's legal I have no issue with hunting. Better for the animal population as a whole.

[trader220]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

I'm not going to disagree with you, but the difference between the two images is striking.

The difference between the two pics is why there is little to no outrage. One depicts a hunter, one depicts aristocracy.

Well Said.... I am sure it was really difficult to be at a safe distance, bait the Lion and then shoot him. It must take extraordinary skills and nerves of steel to sit at a safe distance and shoot the unsuspecting Lion.

Why not just photoshop yourself into a picture of a sleeping Lion? At least that takes some knowledge of photoshop to do a good job.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

I'm not going to disagree with you, but the difference between the two images is striking.

The difference between the two pics is why there is little to no outrage. One depicts a hunter, one depicts aristocracy.

So which is which? As a professional baseball player, I bet his income is at least one, if not two decimal points to the right of hers.

For all we know, he rode a quad or a snowmobile up to a cat that had been treed by hounds, put his beer in the cupholder, and killed the cat. Maybe she spent a month, every morning and evening in a ground blind, being eaten alive by tsetse flies, mosquitos, and just about everything else that bites and stings in Africa. Maybe she spent that month hiking around the bush hunting every day in 110 degree heat, morning to night, being eaten alive by everything that stings and bites in Africa.

That's the problem - we don't know in either case, and never will. So we pass judgement based upon one photo of each and our prejudices. The non-hunters and anti-hunters especially seem to harbor many preconceived notions concerning what hunting is all about, or should be all about - with nary a clue as to what it is really all about.

So, the rough looking guy with the beard somehow looks more "right" to them than the nice looking lady. Being a lady, maybe she simply took the time to clean up a bit for the photo - who knows? Guys certainly would not - the gnarlier they look in the photo the better. But please, let's not consider these things - it's way better to pass judgement over that which we know nothing about (hunting) and specific cases we know even less about.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Only one picture shows someone who took a bow and arrows out into the wilderness, stalked and killed an animal.

Only one picture shows someone who was close to their prey, and in danger of it.

Only one picture shows the solemnity due the event.

Only one pictures shows the blood of the animal.

Only one picture shows a hunter.

[gearya]

Lions Approach Extinction in West Africa

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

Only one picture shows someone who took a bow and arrows out into the wilderness, stalked and killed an animal.

Only one picture shows someone who was close to their prey, and in danger of it.

Only one picture shows the solemnity due the event.

Only one pictures shows the blood of the animal.

Only one picture shows a hunter.

Pure conjecture on your part, Shaun. There is no way you can glean any of that from those pictures.

While I have never hunted the African lion (a bit too rich for my blood), I've spent a good deal of time in pursuit of our own Mountain Lion. Have you? Do you even personally know anyone who has? I didn't think so... your ignorance of the game is betrayed in your post.

They are simply never "stalked" by anyone, anywhere. Chasing them with hounds is the only viable way to even get a chance at one, and even then that is far from a sure bet. I will absolutely guarantee that cat was treed or brought to bay by a pack of hounds.

Like I mention above, I have never had the pleasure of hunting the African lion. I've been left to live that adventure vicariously, through others that have. Some very close friends and hunting partners, some who have written extensively about their exploits, and through many reports in the general hunting press. So, yes, all I really know about it is what I have heard and read - but I have spent a lifetime doing so.

One common theme emerges - most lions are shot at dawn or dusk, when they are most active. Most are shot at very close range, from ground blinds over bait. No one "stalks" lions - to do so at dawn or dusk would be not only foolish, but unproductive. To do so in broad daylight, in the heat of the day, would be a waste of time. So it just is not done.

Guys like you how know less than nothing about hunting see a scoped rifle and assume it was employed at long range, that the hunter merely sniped away at the animal from some safe distance. Again, your comments in your post betray this ignorance. No, that is not why the scope is used on such a dangerous game rifle. It is used as an aid to shooting in very low light, when open or peep sights cannot be seen. Many such scopes on these kinds of rifles do not even have any magnification, or very little if they do (a fixed 2X or a variable 1.4-4X are very popular for this duty).

I have several heavy caliber rifles so outfitted for use on large, dangerous animals, and believe me - they are a godsend when it's very early in the morning, or starting to get dark at night. They are a real comfort when going after stuff that will fight back, in thick brush, in dim light. While I have not gone after the African lion, I have sure had my fair share of such "fun" with other animals under these conditions (even got knocked flat on my back by a bear one day, but that's a whole 'nother story...).

So, no, the bow means nothing, nor does the scoped rifle. It's almost certain the cougar was at bay, likely in a tree. Not much danger to the hunter - I've walked away from several of those that were too small. The lion, however, does not climb trees very often, and was certainly on the ground, as was the hunter - who was not very far away at all. Your assumptions are way, way off...

[Shaun @ Tru6]

The lion was sitting down. They drove up in a truck, shot it and took a pic.

I've hunted all my younger life. I haven't gone hunting recently, maybe things have changed.

I'm sorry for being right.

[Chocaholic]

I think the photo with the babe was Photoshop. The other one was found already dead and the football guy shmeared on a little makeup and picked it up for his photo-entourage to snap some action pics, then off to the lodge to tell of his exploits. That's my take.

[David McLaughlin]

On a similar note...
I follow PSE Archery on facebook. They just recently posted a couple of pictures of a clothing model holding on of their bows. People started making some pretty crass and rude comments (fake boobs, knows nothing, not a hunter, etc). The girl in the photo keeps coming on to defend herself even posting a photo of a buck she took with her bow. Pretty sad IMHO. It's not just guys making the comments either, women are just as bad.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

The lion was sitting down. They drove up in a truck, shot it and took a pic.

I've hunted all my younger life. I haven't gone hunting recently, maybe things have changed.

I'm sorry for being right.

Why such a glib, childish response?

Oh, never mind - I'm pretty sure I know. I would say something like "I expect better of you", but in all honesty, I really don't. Maybe you've spent too much time wallowing around in PARF - this is pretty much how everything winds up over there. Come to think of it, you are often the one that leads it there...

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Glad we could wrap this up.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by David McLaughlin

On a similar note...
I follow PSE Archery on facebook. They just recently posted a couple of pictures of a clothing model holding on of their bows. People started making some pretty crass and rude comments (fake boobs, knows nothing, not a hunter, etc). The girl in the photo keeps coming on to defend herself even posting a photo of a buck she took with her bow. Pretty sad IMHO. It's not just guys making the comments either, women are just as bad.

I've seen this time and time again in the hunting world. Something about an attractive lady with a dead animal really seems to set some people off. I'm no psychologist or anything, but I don't really think we need to be to understand there is something fundamentally wrong with these people. The behavior of some on this very thread does an excellent job of capturing this.

Folks who otherwise cry from the rooftops just how open minded and tolerant they are, and how everybody else is some kind of "(fill in the blank)-ist" or "(fill in the blank)-phobe" certainly show their true colors at times like this. No wonder they are so quick to assign those labels to others - they are so filled with intolerance and hatred they are afraid of being noticed, so they constantly point the finger at others.

Shaun is a great example - I've lost track of how many times he's cried "racist!" or "homophobe!" over on PARF. Yet here he is, baring his own brand of intolerance (and ignorance) for all to see, finally ending with the glib and childish when he runs out of gas.

Take that nonsense back to PARF, Shaun. It might "work" in the dysfunctional little world you folks have carved out for yourselves over there, but it sure doesn't do much for you over here. It's neither cute nor clever.

[gearya]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

I'm no psychologist or anything.

Clearly.

[aigel]

Geez, this thread went so well, considering the subject ... talk about killing your own thread there Jeff ...

At least it was a quick kill.

G

[stuartj]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

I'm no psychologist or anything

Im stunned.

[berettafan]

Originally Posted by dewolf

It' not hunting if you shoot a sitting duck with a rifle. The animal doesn't even know it's being 'hunted'. It's just minding it's own business going about it's daily life when some a-hole with a scope at a safe distance extinguishes its life. Chase the animal down like all good predators and kill it with your bare hands. Then you're a hunter.

So the hawk that picks a field mouse out of the grass to the complete surprise of the mouse is not a real hunter?

How about the big corporate meat operations that pack animals into insanely crowded situations, feed them strange doped up foods and then sneak up and chop off their heads or put a steel rod through their brains........then send it to you for your dinner?