Philip Seymour Hoffman dead

[azasadny]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Some addicts contribute to society, others don't. That could be part of the difference in reaction. In the end they are all flawed humans who died. Which describes pretty much everyone - only difference are the flaws and how they play out.

Yep... well said!

[nynor]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Some addicts contribute to society, others don't. That could be part of the difference in reaction. In the end they are all flawed humans who died. Which describes pretty much everyone - only difference are the flaws and how they play out.

exactly.

[Nathans_Dad]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Some addicts contribute to society, others don't. That could be part of the difference in reaction. In the end they are all flawed humans who died. Which describes pretty much everyone - only difference are the flaws and how they play out.

Agreed, but it seems to me that society expects most of us to try to control our flaws or make ourselves better people.

I never understand why celebrities get a pass. If they OD or commit suicide everyone is just gushing about what a tragedy it is and how the world will never be the same without them. How about taking the opportunity to talk about how the guy should have done what it takes to control his addictive urges? What about trying to get through to the next addict who is about to OD?

[Gogar]

People aren't usually fawning over the particular person, it's just a matter of scale and substitution.

[Nickshu]

What a waste of a great talent. Sad to hear about him.

[Danimal16]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Some addicts contribute to society, others don't. That could be part of the difference in reaction. In the end they are all flawed humans who died. Which describes pretty much everyone - only difference are the flaws and how they play out.

Very well said. May he RIP.

[tabs]

The pain or "hole" that they are trying to escape from is in fact what makes them a whole person. It is part and parcel of themselves, it is the cards in life that you have been dealt. So when ya assuage that pain or try an fill that "hole" inside with dope you are negating yourself.

You sily have to embrace the "pain" as being part of who you are. Then you can be transcendent.

[jhynesrockmtn]

I thought he was a great talent. I would never call someone an idiot who succumbed to something many of us will thankfully never experience. My Father was what could be described as a classic "addictive" personality. I remember picking him up from the ER when he had his last drunk driving wreck. I was 17 or 18. He had a few and luckily no one else was ever involved. When he quit alcohol it became food which ultimately contributed to an early death. He was a good person, smart person, but an addict who spent a lot of years trying to get better. I've also experienced many creative types who struggle with mental health issues. I don't know if that is a real contributing factor or not.....RIP Philip.

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by gsxrken

...an honest question here- if we can feel a degree of admiration for the junkie who beats his addiction, some disdain for the ones that don't sounds understandable. Would you argue that the ones that lost the battle couldn't have won?

No junkie "beats his addiction" just like no alcoholic "beats" his. Just ask one if you ever get the chance... or ask someone who works with addicts... it's a daily, sometimes hourly struggle/fight, and they are painfully aware that it will be with them for the rest of their lives.

Some alcoholics can't even use mouthwash that has a slight amount of alcohol in it, because just that tiny "nudge" can set off a cascade of physical/physiological effects that can end up in a binge.

No junkie or alcoholic would ever want you to feel admiration for them. They know they are living on a precipice of sorts... and could go over the edge all too easily.

[berettafan]

Originally Posted by tabs

The pain or "hole" that they are trying to escape from is in fact what makes them a whole person. It is part and parcel of themselves, it is the cards in life that you have been dealt. So when ya assuage that pain or try an fill that "hole" inside with dope you are negating yourself.

You sily have to embrace the "pain" as being part of who you are. Then you can be transcendent.

A theory I have long held.

And this is why the desperate need to embrace pot in this country just makes no sense to me.

Anyone who's been around a drunk for a length of time would recognize that these chemicals are just a slap in the face to those who are closest to the users. A giant billboard screaming 'You are so painful to be around that I choose to medicate myself out of your presence'.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by speeder

There is absolutely no correlation between intelligence and addiction. Thinking that there is, however, is a sign of pretty extreme ignorance on the subject at the very least. This is not open to opinion. It's a very well researched field of study.

^^^
This. And it's not a moral or character issue either.

I sat a couple rows behind him at a Dodgers/Yankees game a couple years back. Looked like a regular Joe. Kept to his group, stayed quiet and didn't call attention to himself like that 4 foot tall Tommy Cruise prick flitting around that night. Always liked PSH's work.

[widgeon13]

Didn't he usually play a villain?

[Turbo_pro]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

^^^
This. And it's not a moral or character issue either.

Why? what is your evidence of this statement? I don't care about the moral issue but how is it not a character issue?

[AFC-911]

Police found 50 bags of heroin and 20 used needles in a plastic cup!

I've never used drugs, but that sounds about right for an overdose...

RIP PSH. I loved The Talented Mr. Ripley.

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

No junkie "beats his addiction" just like no alcoholic "beats" his. Just ask one if you ever get the chance... or ask someone who works with addicts... it's a daily, sometimes hourly struggle/fight, and they are painfully aware that it will be with them for the rest of their lives.

Some alcoholics can't even use mouthwash that has a slight amount of alcohol in it, because just that tiny "nudge" can set off a cascade of physical/physiological effects that can end up in a binge.

No junkie or alcoholic would ever want you to feel admiration for them. They know they are living on a precipice of sorts... and could go over the edge all too easily.

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by AFC-911

Police found 50 bags of heroin and 20 used needles in a plastic cup!

I've never used drugs, but that sounds about right for an overdose...

RIP PSH. I loved The Talented Mr. Ripley.

Philip Seymour Hoffman Dead: Police Find 50 Bags of Heroin in His Apt | Variety

[Damian in NJ]

There have been dozens and dozens of od's because apparently some heroin has been pumped with fentanyl, which is waay more powerful than junk.

[greglepore]

Originally Posted by jhynesrockmtn

I thought he was a great talent. I would never call someone an idiot who succumbed to something many of us will thankfully never experience. My Father was what could be described as a classic "addictive" personality. I remember picking him up from the ER when he had his last drunk driving wreck. I was 17 or 18. He had a few and luckily no one else was ever involved. When he quit alcohol it became food which ultimately contributed to an early death. He was a good person, smart person, but an addict who spent a lot of years trying to get better. I've also experienced many creative types who struggle with mental health issues. I don't know if that is a real contributing factor or not.....RIP Philip.

Hey Jerry-you got it, an insightful post ...

[rusnak]

50 bags of smack is a lot. That guy was gone. So tragic. I'll leave it to others to judge him. I wonder if there could have been any way of preventing his death though.