What would the US be like if we didn't enter WW2

[Augustus]

Crazy thought but if the allies were able to stop Hitler without the help from the US......what would the US be like today??...how different?

[kach22i]

Most scenarios don't explore a Allied victory without the US, they predict a collapse with the US/Canada standing alone.

[island911]

Hawaii would be speaking Japaneses

[Augustus]

Most scenarios don't explore a Allied victory without the US, they predict a collapse with the US/Canada standing alone.

That I know, but lets just say, if something happend, what ever it may be and the US did not enter the war how different would the US be..

[lane912]

hitler would have still have died on the exact same day-

Porsche might be different

[TGTIW]

I wonder, without Operation Paperclip, where would the US have been in the space race and military aviation?

[Iciclehead]

Lots of combinations and permutations, I like to think that the nasty and evil would have been victims of their own evils no matter what anyone else did. In my mind, there are 4 particular turning points that would have fundamentally changed WWII.

1. If the Nazi's would not have invaded the Soviet, but rather just consolidated and integrated western Europe.

2. If the US trade embargo would not have caused the warped guys in Tokyo to think that they could defeat the US in the Pacific starting with Pearl Harbour. I also think had they had the courage of their convictions and pursued the second strike, the story might have been materially altered...albeit with the same ultimate outcome.

3. If the Nazis had resisted the temptation to declare war on the US after Pearl Harbour. The US would have focused its energy on defeating Japan, and might well have stopped there and not gone on to support England other than perhaps materially.

4. If Hitler had not allowed himself to be duped into attacking and trying to take Stalingrad, but rather would have focused on consolidating his gains with perhaps a focus encircling Moscow and holding a more defensive posture against the rather poor military leadership/tactics of the Soviets.

Dennis

[GH85Carrera]

The possibilities are endless. The Japanese could well still be in control of all of China. No Mao revolution with the Japanese military in control. No Communist China. Japan could be a superpower in control of the entire Pacific and all of Asia.

We would never have had Von Braun and no moon shot or NASA.

It would be a very different world.

[black_falcon]

The wartime economy brought us out of the great depression and created the post war boom. Nazi rocket technology and engineering masterminds shaped our modern military, space program, and arguably way of life. Without either we never would have become the world super power we are today.

If you really want to twist your brain.. could our Allies have even won the Second World War if America didn't enter?

My guess is maybe not. For example.. The Russian military didn't even become the effective fighting force it was until the American lend lease program offered them the tools and vehicles to truly mobilize the Red Army, which was the only way they were able to counter the German Blitzkrieg.

[J P Stein]

Youz guys have never read Alfred Mahan.
His premise is that sea power rules the world.

Hitler could never have jumped the channel. The US was big on Lend-Lease
The Japanese couldn't conquer Australia and China at the same time
....not enough bodies.
The Germans & Russians would have exhausted each other.

US entry into a war was unavoidable.
The Brits, Canucks, Aussies & the US of A still held the winning hand,....not to mention THE BOMB, just my .02.

[Nostril Cheese]

Originally Posted by TGTIW

I wonder, without Operation Paperclip, where would the US have been in the space race and military aviation?

Ministry of Space - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One of my favorite "what-if" comics..

[steve185]

Depends on what you mean by entering the war?
With just lend lease, the allies would have still won. It would have taken four or five years longer and most of Europe, if not all would have ended up behind the Iron Curtain.
Without lend lease we would have lost Europe, Africa, maybe the U.K.

The point is moot as there was no way the U.S could have avoided fighting.

Just my thoughts
Steve

[mrybczyn]

Hitler was no worse than Stalin. The US did not have to enter the war. The world would have looked much the same in the end, except US would now be on even footing with the EU-reich, and the USSR.

China/Japan would be interesting. I don't have a guess what would have happened there long term.

[scottbombedout]

Originally Posted by mrybczyn

Hitler was no worse than Stalin. The US did not have to enter the war. The world would have looked much the same in the end, except US would now be on even footing with the EU-reich, and the USSR.

China/Japan would be interesting. I don't have a guess what would have happened there long term.

How do you figure the US didn't have to enter the War?

[Rick Lee]

Check out Richard Harris's Fatherland. It's a murder mystery that takes place in Berlin in 1964 after Germany won WWII. They were preparing for Hitler's 75th b-day, there were no Jews left at all and all Slavs were slave laborers in what used to be Russia. All cars were black or brown. Joseph Kennedy was president of the US and the Cold War was between the US and Nazi Germany.

I'm not sure how Hitler could have won unless he would have finally handed the real decision making over to his generals. By the time von Stauffenburg launched his assassination attempt, I dare say, killing Hitler would have been a blow to the Allies. Hitler was his own worst enemy, overextending supply lines, firing competent generals, micromanaging everything. Had he let the pros run things, Germany could very well have won even with the US entering.

But... if there were no US boots on the ground or even bombing campaigns, the Russians obviously would not have stopped at the Elbe. They'd have gone all the way to France maybe farther. That would have made for a very different Cold War.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

But... if there were no US boots on the ground or even bombing campaigns, the Russians obviously would not have stopped at the Elbe. They'd have gone all the way to France maybe farther. That would have made for a very different Cold War.

The Russians would have never gotten out of Russia.

Germany, without the threat of a second front anywhere (Italy, Japan, Africa, etc., no strategic bombing) gathers more countries into the fold. Solidifies. England isn't a threat.

Stalin sues for peace, the AXIS powers expand, Germany gets the bomb first since the Manhattan Project doesn't happen.

The planet is different.

Japan owns the East, Germany the West. Canada and the US worry about an invasion from the south.

[lane912]

watch the movie IRON SKY --

[Joe Bob]

Kinda hard to get around the US embargo of Japan......US only went after Germany AFTER they declared war as a result of Pearl Harbor.

[fred cook]

With Hitler running the German military, Germany would have still lost. The Russians would have controlled more of Europe and England would have suffered more. The US would have taken longer to get thru the great depression and Japan would have controlled most if not all of the Pacific. The worst part would be that the world populations would have suffered for more years than they did. Not a pretty picture.

[Kirk911SC]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_in_the_High_Castle

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_victory_in_World_War_II