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Don Ro 11-21-2014 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by BE911SC (Post 8364149)

Cosby, if he's guilty, has gotten away with it because of the secret hopes of these women who want him to leave Camille and marry them.
Hmmmm....

biosurfer1 11-21-2014 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ossiblue (Post 8363934)
It's been three days since Janice Dickinson made public her claim of sexual assault against Cosby, bringing the total of accusations to 15, six of which were made public.

Now, add Linda Tritz, Louisa Moritz, Carla Farrigno, and Therese Serignese to the public list of inappropriate sexual conduct accusations.

Today's total: 19 allegations of which 10 are on the public record.

To be noted, not all of the accusations are of drugging, followed by an assault. All, however, involve unwanted and intimidating sexual advances which speak to the character of the accused.
I guess my question is what is to stop someone like the secretary here in the office (70 years old) from saying "Yep, I saw Cosby back in 1982 in Reno and he did the same thing to me"? No way to prove she is telling the truth, probably no way to tell if she was even in Reno in 1982...aren't all of thee he said/she said at the very best.

The Janice Dickinson one is the most concerning to me. She has a long history of being a fame whore and doing anything she can to be in the spotlight... now everyone is talking about her again, mission accomplished?

I have a feeling not all of the women's stories are false, but the ones like Dickinson and Moritz that clearly have holes certainly questions the authenticity of the others.

URY914 11-21-2014 09:54 AM
Micheal Jackson liked little boys. Ol' Bill liked the ladies. Some folks like coke, some like the bottle. Some like Porsches.

We all have our crosses to bear..... :(

ossiblue 11-21-2014 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by biosurfer1 (Post 8364201)
I guess my question is what is to stop someone like the secretary here in the office (70 years old) from saying "Yep, I saw Cosby back in 1982 in Reno and he did the same thing to me"? No way to prove she is telling the truth, probably no way to tell if she was even in Reno in 1982...aren't all of thee he said/she said at the very best.

The Janice Dickinson one is the most concerning to me. She has a long history of being a fame whore and doing anything she can to be in the spotlight... now everyone is talking about her again, mission accomplished?

I have a feeling not all of the women's stories are false, but the ones like Dickinson and Moritz that clearly have holes certainly questions the authenticity of the others.
I agree with your concern. However, I would argue your last sentence might better be written to say that the credibility of Dickinson and Moritz has holes and, therefore, their stories are weakened. To me, that weakening does not necessarily apply to any other accuser that has come forward, to date. I would suspect that Cosby's legal team would immediately investigate and expose any claim that "suddenly" appears and the 70 year old secretary would not last long as a legitimate accuser. After all, it is to their advantage to paint all the accusers as delusional liars as that is the only defense against the he said/she said charges.

It wouldn't surprise me if Cosby's legal team already knows the names of any potential accusers who have not come forward.

intakexhaust 11-21-2014 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 8364210)
Micheal Jackson liked little boys. Ol' Bill liked the ladies. Some folks like coke, some like the bottle. Some like Porsches.

We all have our crosses to bear..... :(
Huh? Some like Porsches. I fail to see the connection. Is it immoral to have, life threatening or abuse of a human being?


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Louisa Moritz. Surely these occurrence's happened many years ago, the drug and possible affect on recalling the incident(s) but somehow there's a pattern by all of them. Are all of these woman really that messed up, ratting out for just the money?

And now with the major network cancellations and syndicated past Cosby re-airs, I think the inside Hollywood execs know what's coming. The other what if question is, who else knew and protected Cosby? Whos' covering for who?
Like the Penn State / Joe Paterno of Sandusky.

The problem is - nobody wants to believe it! The SOL ruling is ridiculous for premeditated violent crimes.

Two more women accuse Bill Cosby of sexual attacks - NY Daily News

john70t 11-21-2014 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BE911SC (Post 8364149)
Tiger Woods is a good example. Gets married to a girl he really doesn't know, she pops the required "heir and a spare" to lock up her share of the estate and then slams her legs together and flies of to momma's house in Sweden. Tiger succumbs to the predators--the cocktail waitress among others--and hooray! Elin catches him and shakes him down for 70 million.
Then she bulldozed their former house flat to the ground, worth maybe 1/2 or 1/3 as much.
Tens of millions of dollars.
Women get crazy when rejection is involved. Same as men.

At that level it's about pure mental control and leverage over the other, money be damned.

1990C4S 11-21-2014 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by biosurfer1 (Post 8364201)
I guess my question is what is to stop someone like the secretary here in the office (70 years old) from saying "Yep, I saw Cosby back in 1982 in Reno and he did the same thing to me"? No way to prove she is telling the truth, probably no way to tell if she was even in Reno in 1982...aren't all of thee he said/she said at the very best.
At least one of the women claims she was given $10,000 on one occasion and $5,000 on another. This, if true, and corroborated, would be indicative that there was some sort of relationship, either personal or business. The secretary in your office probably can't show the same sort of link.

I do find it odd that several women willingly swallowed a pill given to them by a man they just met while in his hotel room. They later believed they were raped, but subsequently (willingly) spent several more days with him.

One or two claims might make me suspect it was all smoke, at some point the numbers make it highly unlikely he's innocent.

Crowbob 11-21-2014 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ossiblue (Post 8364304)
...It wouldn't surprise me if Cosby's legal team already knows the names of any potential accusers who have not come forward.
Which may explain Cosby's persistence in silence. Any disclosure by either party would precipitate a hail of lawyers from the other side.

There are probaby so many out there, known and unknown by Cosby's team, that even he is not sure with whom he may have settled.

I can just hear his counsel: 'Bill, our best strategery here is absolute silence, my friend. NO MATTER WHAT! It will just cost you in the long run. Say nothing. Forever say nothing. That is my expert and expensive advice to you at this point."

speeder 11-21-2014 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BE911SC (Post 8364149)
How come Clinton got away with it? Because he was a powerful politician and even women will overlook things like sexual predation to get what they want. When Clinton was in the midst of his impeachment I asked the women in my family how come Patricia Ireland and N.O.W. isn't up in arms and screaming bloody murder over his behavior. Well, after some hedging and attempts to redirect the question by the women, my dear mother finally said, "He gets away with it because women hate a woman like Monica [Lewinsky] more than they hate a man like Bill Clinton." Ah, one of mom's wonderful razor-sharp explanations.

Cosby, if he's guilty, has gotten away with it because of the secret hopes of these women who want him to leave Camille and marry them. Same thing with all of Clinton's "bimbo eruptions." Same thing with Marilyn Monroe, who was said to be so distraught over JFK not leaving Jackie for her that she committed suicide.

Males with money (and power, which is also money) are surrounded by ambitious people, ambitious women included. Tiger Woods is a good example. Gets married to a girl he really doesn't know, she pops the required "heir and a spare" to lock up her share of the estate and then slams her legs together and flies of to momma's house in Sweden. Tiger succumbs to the predators--the cocktail waitress among others--and hooray! Elin catches him and shakes him down for 70 million.

I didn't say Cosby didn't do it. I am saying that it takes two to tango.
He drugged and raped women, probably dozens of times. They were not "tango-ing"...wtf is wrong with you?

Tiger Woods cheated on his wife. I don't remember the stories of him drugging and raping women. Bill Clinton got a hummer in the WH. If 15 credible women claimed that he had drugged and raped them, you might have an analogy there. Jesus. :rolleyes:

DanielDudley 11-21-2014 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 8363613)
After all this, there are people that still think he might be innocent... I'm amazed.

If nothing else, hold him accountable for the one lawsuit that he did settle. He didn't settle that because he was innocent.

JR
If means If. It is not a statement of belief. In this case it was rhetorical.

DanielDudley 11-21-2014 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 8364157)
It may take two to tango, but it only takes one to drug into unconsciousness and drag the other one around the dance floor.
That would be the distinction.

Cajundaddy 11-21-2014 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 8364633)
He drugged and raped women, probably dozens of times. They were not "tango-ing"...wtf is wrong with you?
Nope, he ALLEGEDLY drugged and raped. There is a fundamental difference. So far this is all only accusation, hearsay and innuendo. That is what separates rule of law from lynch mobs. An important distinction.

BlueSkyJaunte 11-21-2014 09:47 PM
I find it rather amusing that many of those currently castigating Cosby have in the past been Polanski apologists.

livi 11-21-2014 10:17 PM
This sad story speaks volumes about humanity. Mostly in a nauseating way. True or not.

DanielDudley 11-22-2014 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by livi (Post 8365052)
This sad story speaks volumes about humanity. Mostly in a nauseating way. True or not.
I'm not as big a fan of the race as I used to be. You however seem to be pretty OK. SmileWavy

livi 11-22-2014 01:16 AM
Yup. I feel like a million dollars these Days. :)

Baz 11-22-2014 03:40 AM
The local media not to miss out on a "good" story makes a big deal out of 'covering' Cosby's performance last night in Melbourne. Cameras camped out, etc.....like it's going to be a Ferguson Pt. II.

Only one protester shows up, show is sold out, and attendees interviewed after the show all said "Fabulous....fantastic show!".

Pftt....

URY914 11-22-2014 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 8365128)
The local media not to miss out on a "good" story makes a big deal out of 'covering' Cosby's performance last night in Melbourne. Cameras camped out, etc.....like it's going to be a Ferguson Pt. II.

Only one protester shows up, show is sold out, and attendees interviewed after the show all said "Fabulous....fantastic show!".

Pftt....
How many women followed him back to his hotel?

M.D. Holloway 11-22-2014 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by DanielDudley (Post 8365086)
I'm not as big a fan of the race as I used to be. You however seem to be pretty OK. SmileWavy
Race or species?

javadog 11-22-2014 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Cajundaddy (Post 8365026)
Nope, he ALLEGEDLY drugged and raped. There is a fundamental difference. So far this is all only accusation, hearsay and innuendo. That is what separates rule of law from lynch mobs. An important distinction.
Except for that one pesky case that he did settle out of court, when facing a civil law suit. The related criminal case didn't make it to court because the prosecutor didn't fell certain he could prove it, although there was no doubt in his mind that he was guilty. The reason for the lack of evidence had to do with the time that elapsed between the event and the poilce report. The prosecutor felt that Cosby was lying and that he was going to use the defense that the behaviour was consensual, not that it didn't occur. When the civil suit came up, it was settled. You can argue that suits get settled for all sorts of reasons but the cat was out of the bag at that point, so the settlement wasn't going to keep the allegation out of the public eye. The fact that Cosby's attorney denies all of the claims, EXCEPT THAT ONE, ought to tell you something.

He's guilty. How many times..., that's the question, isn't it? Does it matter? Once is okay, just don't make a habit of it?

JR


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