Hacking a car

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by widebody911

Hackers Remotely Kill a Jeep on the Highway

Lets see them to that to a old VW bus

[FLYGEEZER]

I'll bet anything that "runs on a wire", can be hacked. Just think....a hacker could send some electrolux car, a.ka. ' Chevy Volt.. ect..ect into maxium smoke. My sheet is old and hackproof but as the saying goes " we all make love in our own fashion" Go buy what ever feels good to ya!

[widebody911]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

Lets see them to that to a old VW bus

He doesn't need to - they do that on their own!

[intakexhaust]

Same reason why I hated CBS 60 Minutes-

And those Audi 5000 had a mind of their own. No matter how hard Mom pushed on the brake pedal, the Audi kept on charging, right through the garage door with granny on the prow. This despite the fact that the little five-cylinder mill only cranked out 130 horsepower. And the top-notch four-wheel disc brake system probably could generate well over 600 equivalent horsepower.

Apparently, the brakes were failing at exactly the same moment that the gas pedal decided it had a mind of its own. Perfectly plausible, at least to the 60 Minutes crew, the Audi (non)drivers, and much of the media and public.

About as plausible as ignoring the police report of the most dramatic victim on the show, Kristi Bradosky, who ran over her six year old son. That report said “Bradosky’s foot slipped off the brake pedal onto the gas pedal accelerating the auto.” Denial isn’t just a river.

Ed Bradley’s 17 minute “investigative report” aired on November 23, 1986. Between interviews of the teary-eyed “victims” (drivers) of unintended acceleration swearing their feet were on the brake pedal, CBS showed a clip of a driverless Audi lurching forward on its own.

Viewers didn’t get to see the canister of compressed air on the passenger-side floor with a hose running to a hole drilled in the transmission. An “expert” had rigged the Rube Goldberg device to shift the big Audi into drive and, like any automatic-equipped car, move forward (unless the brakes are depressed).

The clip was blatantly deceptive AND totally irrelevant. Nobody claimed driverless Audis were taking off and killing kids and grannies. Mom was always at the wheel, pushing the 5000’s “brake” pedal with all her might.

In 1989, after three years of studying the blatantly obvious, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) issued their report on Audi’s “sudden unintended acceleration problem.” NHTA’s findings fully exonerated Audi and some other implicated foreign makes”.

source and I still hate CBS
The Best Of TTAC: The Audi 5000 Intended Unintended Acceleration Debacle - The Truth About Cars

[ckelly78z]

Originally Posted by intakexhaust

Same reason why I hated CBS 60 Minutes-


Ed Bradley’s 17 minute “investigative report” aired on November 23, 1986. Between interviews of the teary-eyed “victims” (drivers) of unintended acceleration swearing their feet were on the brake pedal, CBS showed a clip of a driverless Audi lurching forward on its own.

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I remember sitting in my parents living room watching a special CBS 60 minutes investigative report about how all Jeep CJs at the time were severely top heavy, and how easy it was to tip one over while avoiding something in the road ahead of you. I also remember seeing the remote control steering device that cranked the wheel hard over at speed, and kept it there until the Jeep rolled....Even to my 10 year old eyes, this seemed suspect as no rational person would crank the wheel and keep it there. My Mother, on the other hand, took this as the word of God, and to this day hates all Jeeps, and refused to let my brother or I to own one.

When I got married, my wife had a really nice CJ-7 that we drove everywhere for the next few years (Mom hated it and worried excessively), and I never even lifted one tire off the ground while cornering spiritedly.

[island911]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

Proof once again of how ridiculous the auto industry has become.

Not that long ago cars were sold on build quality and safety. It seems added features and electronic devices are more important now.
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Most all of that is driven by ever-changing govt standards. A nanny state pushing for nanny-cars.

[intakexhaust]

Originally Posted by ckelly78z

I remember sitting in my parents living room watching a special CBS 60 minutes investigative report about how all Jeep CJs at the time were severely top heavy, and how easy it was to tip one over while avoiding something in the road ahead of you. I also remember seeing the remote control steering device that cranked the wheel hard over at speed, and kept it there until the Jeep rolled....Even to my 10 year old eyes, this seemed suspect as no rational person would crank the wheel and keep it there. My Mother, on the other hand, took this as the word of God, and to this day hates all Jeeps, and refused to let my brother or I to own one.

When I got married, my wife had a really nice CJ-7 that we drove everywhere for the next few years (Mom hated it and worried excessively), and I never even lifted one tire off the ground while cornering spiritedly.

ha- Reminds me of the time having a Datsun pick-up (Nissan badged... I forget..) King cab, 4WD, little 4 banger in it. Fairly high stance but very light body and balanced chassis. With the street tires and joking around, would often four wheel drift on the tarmac. Very predictable. Miss that cute little bugger.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

This is why I like my older cars and motorcycles. I don't have or want "online" or "connected" anything.

Until the effing government makes them illegal of course - eventually they'll mandate that everyone drive the newer stuff because (1) more tax $$$ for them to waste and (2) easier to control / track people. Just wait - it'll happen. "For public safety" will be the justification most likely.

[Brando]

The biggest concern is inter-connectivity. If auto manufacturers could figure out that all the systems DO NOT need to be intertwined with core functions (steering, acceleration, braking, engine management, etc) this would not be an issue. It's one thing to mess with someone's stereo, it's a whole other when they can get access to the CAN bus and drive your car into a wall.

Granted they are not releasing the code that allows a hacker to get access to those systems, these guys are just 2 of thousands with the skill and expertise.

[Jrboulder]

How long til car get viruses?

[pitargue]

Big topic at Defcon/BlackHat this year.

Ref: https://defcon.org/ , https://www.blackhat.com/

[wdfifteen]

There's an element of Deja vu to this.
In 1960 John Deere unveiled its closed center hydraulic system, where the same hydraulic pump powered everything. Egged on my competitors, farmers freaked out when the discovered that the steering wheel was only connected to a hydraulic valve and the brake pedals likewise only went to hydraulic valves. (not to mention every other hydraulic function was powered by the same pump). There were tales of all kinds of disasters that supposedly happened when the steering or brakes quit when you used the front end loader. There never was a real problem, but IHC and the other competition sure tried to make JD's system look dangerous - until they adopted it themselves.

[Joe Bob]

I had a Jeep Grand Cherokee. Was driving down a steep hill in Santa Barbara. The ECU crapped the bed at 48K miles....I had NOTHING. Pushed it into the curb at 35mph. Sold it after the repair.

The dealer and manufacturer said, here's your bill. Screw Jeep with NO reach around.

[intakexhaust]

In the news today's - somewhat related:
Govt. RAM's it back to Fiat-Chrysler!
This one looks costly-

Have to say, good on the govt. I've seen these POS trucks rot out the suspensions to bumpers that only the thin chrome layer was holding it together!

Gov't: Fiat Chrysler must offer to buy back 500,000 pickups

[KNS]

^^^ Outstanding.