The joys of plane ownership

[dmcummins]

First off I love my plane. I sold a 73t and a roller to help pay for it along with a ton of early parts. That was four years ago and we all know where early 911 prices have gone.

The great thing about the plane is that I can cruise around 175 mph and it's legal. And I can generally go in a strait line to my destination. I recently took some friends down to Key West for the day, a one hour flight makes that possible, it would be a 5 1/2 hour drive otherwise. Each way.

But on the way back I was informed that my transponder wasn't working, so it's in the shop today getting a new one installed. I was told 8 to 10 hours installation time at $95 per hour. Plus the cost of the transponder. I also have to think about meeting some new equipment requirements in 2020, that's probably going to cost me another 4 or 5 thousand.

It cost me about 20 to 25 thousand a year to own the plane and fly 100 hours. And this is if nothing breaks.

And the plane has probably dropped in value.

[Bill Douglas]

I hope it hasn't got a Lycoming engine that needs rebuilding at some time.

[cgarr]

But its still fun isn't it!!!!

[Craig T]

That's still cheaper than Porsche club racing! Enjoy.

[dmcummins]

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas

I hope it hasn't got a Lycoming engine that needs rebuilding at some time.

I've heard that Contenental will be increasing their overhauled engines by 20%. They already cost 30k-40k for a flat six. It's just unbelievable to cost that much to overhaul a flat six. I have a Contenental IO-470 with 400 hrs since overhaul. Hopefully I still have many years to go. Then it will be scrap.

[Jrboulder]

You didn't just pull the txp from the rack and send it out to be repaired?

[Dantilla]

I'm fortunate to have a great avionics shop at my home airport.

I am thinking, however, of selling my airplane (which is very similar to Mr Cummins') and going with a kit built, most likely an RV-7.

Nearly as fast as the Bonanza on far less fuel, capable of limited aerobatics, but most importantly, I can do the maintenance myself.

It was frustrating a bit ago when the flexible duct between the air filter and intake manifold started showing signs of deterioration. It's a silicone tube, 4" diameter, about 6" long, held in place by two hose clamps. Can I legally change it myself, or is it to be done only by a certified mechanic?

I did it while the mechanic replaced an air pump, so he signed the logbook for both. 100% legal.

In one of the few areas where the FAA uses common sense, the rule is if a guy builds his own airplane, he is probably qualified to maintain it.

[dmcummins]

Originally Posted by Jrboulder

You didn't just pull the txp from the rack and send it out to be repaired?

It was an old narco, not worth fixing. I'm replacing it with a garmin.

[dmcummins]

Originally Posted by Dantilla

I'm fortunate to have a great avionics shop at my home airport.

I am thinking, however, of selling my airplane (which is very similar to Mr Cummins') and going with a kit built, most likely an RV-7.

Nearly as fast as the Bonanza on far less fuel, capable of limited aerobatics, but most importantly, I can do the maintenance myself.

It was frustrating a bit ago when the flexible duct between the air filter and intake manifold started showing signs of deterioration. It's a silicone tube, 4" diameter, about 6" long, held in place by two hose clamps. Can I legally change it myself, or is it to be done only by a certified mechanic?

I did it while the mechanic replaced an air pump, so he signed the logbook for both. 100% legal.

In one of the few areas where the FAA uses common sense, the rule is if a guy builds his own airplane, he is probably qualified to maintain it.

I've thought about a homebuilt myself. And the ability to use the much less expensive avionics. The problem is the wife likes the four seater and the cost of a RV-10 is still quite high.

[sixbanger]

People die in home built kits. I wouldn't do it.But if you love flying?

[Dantilla]

Originally Posted by sixbanger

People die in home built kits. I wouldn't do it.But if you love flying?

True. But the RV series have an excellent record of kits being completed and flying.
Lots of factory support, great engineering- Though they are fast, they also handle slow speeds very well, and can use very short runways.

Many homebuilt kits outside of the RV series are never finished. Plenty of partially-built airplanes for sale. Either parts are missing, plans are incomplete, or lots of fabrication is still necessary. The RV's come with very good plans. You're basically assembling pieces- Not fabricating.

The "hot-rod" homebuilts tend to have nasty traits at the slow end that lead to too many accidents. High stall speeds, very abrupt stalls that quickly develop into spins, things that make them need long, smooth runways.

The founder/designer/engineer of the RVs flies his out of a short grass strip to get to work at the factory. He designed them to be nimble and fun, yet have benign stall characteristics. One of the few kits that would probably pass FAA standards if he decided to sell completed airplanes.

Most kits would never pass FAA testing.

That's why I'm thinking of an RV.

[gatotom]

I count my blessing owning a sailboat, admission can be for a decent boat around 100K which would be a good runner, annual slip fees and ins runs about 5K and if any repair work, well, that's why they call them boat, bring out another thousand.

Still a lot cheaper than raising 3 children.

[Dantilla]

People also die in Bonanzas and Cessnas.

Far more than driving, or just about any other activity, the level of safety in aviation is up to the pilot. The accident record would be cut in half if pilots quit doing two things:

-Quit running out of gas!
-Quit flying into bad weather!

If I stay away from these two stupid pilot tricks, chances are I'll be around to fly another day.

[winders]

Originally Posted by Craig T

That's still cheaper than Porsche club racing! Enjoy.

That would depend on what you race.......

[SpyderMike]

Originally Posted by dmcummins

It cost me about 20 to 25 thousand a year to own the plane and fly 100 hours. And this is if nothing breaks.

Those costs seem high. I bought a new Cirrus SR22 GTS ten years ago and I have been running a lot less than that yearly for similar usage.

As a builder of a homebuilder and having looked at RVs over the years...that is a good choice.

[Embraer]

I got out of the airplane game a long time ago. I remember when you first asked about buying a plane, I mentioned the 3 F's. I still get a hankering once in a while to buy a plane...then I go and rent for a few hours to kill the desire.

[dmcummins]

Originally Posted by SpyderMike

Those costs seem high. I bought a new Cirrus SR22 GTS ten years ago and I have been running a lot less than that yearly for similar usage.

As a builder of a homebuilder and having looked at RVs over the years...that is a good choice.

I went back and looked at my cost and it is closer to actually being 15 -18k to operate. My plane being older I spent a lot on upgrades over the years that I didn't have to have, but wanted. I had shoulder harnesses, engine monitor, fuel flow gauge, auto pilot, and a few other things installed that a newer plane would probably already have. So hopefully going forward my cost will come down some.

Last year I only spent about 12k, but only flew 76 hours. But I dinged the elevator backing it into the hangar and I was down for a month. The insurance paid 6,000 for my accident.

[Cajundaddy]

Hey, you can't take it with you right? We gotta spend it on something we enjoy or all those days working were futile.

I grew up around aviation as my dad was an aerospace engineer, pilot, and certified aviation mechanic. We (he mostly) rebuilt several aircraft in our garage when I was a kid and that is where I learned to turn wrenches. The aviation community is a lot like the Porsche community and though my dad has been gone for 20 years I stay in touch with several of the airport folks.

I am not flying right now but if I were shopping for a plane the RV series would be on the short list. One of the best combinations of performance and safety IMO and just a sweet airplane to fly and land.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

If it were cheap you'd be sharing the skies with every idiot you presently share the roads with.

I'm fine with the cost of flying being a barrier to entry that keeps most of the masses out. When I'm in the air I'm in the company of professionals (or at least people who tend to have some skin in the game and take it seriously as a result). It cuts down on the percentage of imbeciles considerably.

I'm giving serious thought to a plane of my own but for now I'm renting as needed and that works okay. It still is far more enjoyable than driving.

[Seahawk]

As long as you are enjoying the experience, enjoy the experience

I fly with my neighbor off his grass strip once a month or so. He was a Navy F-4 Phantom pilot and is almost 70. Very professional.

I really wish I had the bandwidth for an RV series. I've helped build a few and the level of workmanship of the kit parts equals retail aircraft.

I am in Yakima, Washington this week. We are setting up our unmanned aircraft services office here. We hired two young, local pilots to get started with training and drone flights.

One of the young men is from one of the families here that own a large amount of acreage and also have a processing plant for hops, apples, cherries and blueberries.

They own a Cessna 182 and I went for a ride yesterday afternoon. Flying out of Yakima on a clear day is really an unbelievable visual experience: Adams, Rainer...you can reach out and touch them.

After the flight we stopped by and talked to these folks: http://www.cubcrafters.com/carboncubss

Wow.