Keeping your word!

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by fintstone

This is common in flyover land. I have a home where rebuilding costs are $1.5M (not counting the 10+ acres it sits on). Probably wouldn't sell for better than about $650K.

Fortunately, I don't flip homes. I just use them as rentals...so I don't have to sell too many. I usually like them too much after I buy and fix them the way I want.

Isn't that your current home?

Your rebuild costs are far outpacing the resale value from when you bought it.

Certainly reasonable to improve it like that if you are intending it to be your last permanent residence.

[strupgolf]

Is there a car for sale here?

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by strupgolf

Is there a car for sale here?

It sold already.

We missed the deal.

Now we are just shootin the ****.

More like bull**** but same thing.

Why do we call it bull****?

I never really embraced the idea that bull**** was any better or worse than any other ****.

I mean you can make heating fuel from it but you can do the same with any large bovine excrement.

It certainly has an advantage over smaller mammal **** in that it's easier to spot so easier to avoid stepping in.

Maybe that's it?

It's overly obvious ****?

Thoughts?

[Rodsrsr]

I think what people are not seeing is that the sale price was not the result of a bidding war. The price was advertised at 28k and subsequently raised when the OP had a more realistic idea of what the car was actually worth. This thread is alive simply due to the irony on the Op's part of "keeping his word" in one situation but blatantly abandoning it when it benefited him. The very title of the thread is "keeping your word" and if the OP actually sold the car for 28K to the 7:30 buyer he would have "kept his word" but that is not what happened. It would be like me starting a thread on how great of a Christian I am after breaking up a bar fight and then bragging on how I beat the crap out of a random guy who cut me off on the road. My right to do so, but one loses credibility. It takes a lot of character to admit one is wrong and in this case, "in the context of this thread", the OP is clearly wrong and hypocritical.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

I think what people are not seeing is that the sale price was not the result of a bidding war. The price was advertised at 28k and subsequently raised when the OP had a more realistic idea of what the car was actually worth. This thread is alive simply due to the irony on the Op's part of "keeping his word" in one situation but blatantly abandoning it when it benefited him. The very title of the thread is "keeping your word" and if the OP actually sold the car for 28K to the 7:30 buyer he would have "kept his word" but that is not what happened. It would be like me starting a thread on how great of a Christian I am after breaking up a bar fight and then bragging on how I beat the crap out of a random guy who cut me off on the road. My right to do so, but one loses credibility. It takes a lot of character to admit one is wrong and in this case, "in the context of this thread", the OP is clearly wrong and hypocritical.

I disagree.

Whether he would have raised the price on 7:30 guy or not is a moot point.

The price was raised when 7:30 guy made no effort to or was unsuccessful in locking in the price.

He organized a time to come look at the car, no promise of purchase, no deal has been made, he could very well have declined to buy or not shown at all. There was no commitment on his part.

That left open the very real possibility that others would come look before his self appointed time.

That left open the very real possibility that others who came to look before his self appointed time would make a better offer.

He could have had the car for the original listed price.

He did nothing to lock it in.

He let a 3rd party raise the stakes.

OP was perfectly correct to continue to show the car and take offers.

A few years back when I picked up the Mazda as a DD I was sitting in the dealership.

The car had an advertised price.

I offered what I was willing to pay which was less.

Another customer was there, looking at the same car.

The other sales guy was working him over.

My guy kept saying " I can't let it go for what you want to pay, that guy's already agreed to pay more"

I looked at the other buyer, there are now 3 sales guys in there working him over.

I looked at my guy and said, if it's such a done deal then you don't need three guys in there pressuring him. And by the looks of it, there is no way he is buying it.

I got up, told him, you've got my number, you can sell it to me now for my price or you can call me later when the other guy walks out without buying it.

Hope that I don't find something else between now and then.

And if I decide to come back at all I'm going to want some consideration for my time.

I signed the papers about 5 minutes later and got the car for my price.

Both buyers and sellers have equal power in a two party deal.

7:30 guy did not have to play the game.

He saw the car, decided he had to have it and payed to play.

It's that simple.

[fintstone]

It is clear that folks who post here have different views of what their moral obligations upon offering something for sale...that will not be bridged in this thread. On positive note, I learned something here. I have seen this before...occasionally/rarely except for the PP (parts for sale BBS) and have assumed the seller realized that he was a dirtbag and at least felt a small bit of remorse at compromising their integrity. Apparently, I was wrong, they felt no embarrassment...and, in fact, they likely did high fives with their friends as they laughed at the poor fool they suckered. Obviously, they go by a different set of rules than I do.

It will help me to know that for future dealing when purchasing cars and parts through PP and elsewhere.

[RKDinOKC]

What if there had been a typo or there was an error in listing that reads only $28.00. Would you hold the seller to that?

Maybe the seller agreed to taking the original listed amount but stated he wished had listed it for more because he found it was worth a LOT more and the buyer agreed and gave him more?

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by RKDinOKC

What if there had been a typo or there was an error in listing that reads only $28.00. Would you hold the seller to that?

Maybe the seller agreed to taking the original listed amount but stated he wished had listed it for more because he found it was worth a LOT more and the buyer agreed and gave him more?

No...as long as when initially called, the seller made it clear that it was a mistake/typo...which is obvious in your example.

The second scenario where the buyer offers more despite the seller's willingness to sell at his advertised price is perfectly acceptable to me. In fact, I have paid more than asked here for parts. For example, I purchased a large, back seat speaker box "shipped." The seller mentioned that shipping was much greater than expected (but made no attempt to reneg), So I elected to pay the difference. If he had simply tried to make more profit because someone else wanted the item and offered more knowing that he had a deal with me (which ironically happened later when I had a deal to buy the exact same box from another seller)...I would have been less inclined to understanding.

[EMJ]

If there are only immoral, parasitic, blood sucking miscreants selling parts on Pelican, why would anyone with a modicum of intelligence continue doing business with them? There are only about another 100 or so sources to buy from....

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by EMJ

If there are only immoral, parasitic, blood sucking miscreants selling parts on Pelican, why would anyone with a modicum of intelligence continue doing business with them? There are only about another 100 or so sources to buy from....

Did anyone say that was the case? Why do you continually take what someone posts, total revise it to suit your agenda, and then pretend they said what you authored? Don't you realize what a dishonest dirtbag that makes you appear to be?

[EMJ]

Yes, you have repeatedly - Pelican BBS sellers are immoral this, have no honor that, pull the bait and switch that, and cry, cry, cry some more. No, I just made that up. Of course you haven't posted anything like that. You do realize that your posts are here for all to read, right?

And easy on the name calling drama queen.

[EMJ]

Originally Posted by fintstone

You did exactly the right thing. Once you gave a price and told the first guy you would wait for him, you were morally bound on both price and waiting.

After seeing some of the responses here...I see why so that so many times I have bought items here on Pelican and sometimes even sent the money to have the seller come back and tell me that they sold it later, before they could ship it, to someone who later emailed them with a higher offer. Sometimes they say they lost it, broke it, etc. In those cases, I hold both the buyer and seller in contempt...as both are dishonest dirtbags...and wonder how they can sell their honor so cheaply. If running an auction, that should be made clear in advance...not after you set a selling price or say "sold." After getting a loan, travelling hundreds of miles to pick up a car I have "bought" where we had both agreed on a fair price...I believe there is a special place in hell with such folks.

Clearly if you set up terms like some have posted ...first one there with cash, that is different, but playing both sides is simply dishonest. Your word should be your bond.

Hmmm.... I guess I imagined this post and it appeared on PPOT.

[EMJ]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Advertising that you will sell anything for a given price...and increasing that price when a buyer shows up is dirtbaggery...even if you had underpriced to start with (other than a typo). Some of the same dirtbag practices that sellers exhibit here when selling parts. I am suprised honor can be bought/sold so cheaply.

Hmmm.... My imagination is running wild... You never wrote any of this, huh, Fint?

[EMJ]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Yes, I would have kept my word and sold the car for my stated price. I can always make more money.

I imagine the folks that deal this way on the parts BBS here justify their actions similarly. If it makes you a few more bucks...why worry about honor? Sure did make the OP about "keeping your word" seem a bit laughable though. At least salved his conscience with a few attaboys from folks who seem to similarly believe the end justifies the means.

Sad.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by EMJ

Yes, you have repeatedly - Pelican BBS sellers are immoral this, have no honor that, pull the bait and switch that, and cry, cry, cry some more. No, I just made that up. Of course you haven't posted anything like that. You do realize that your posts are here for all to read, right?

And easy on the name calling drama queen.

You do realize that if you add a few words to what someone says, it often changes the meaning...don't you? Just adding the word "only" in place of some can change the meaning significantly. Adding "only immoral, parasitic, blood sucking miscreants" would make even a complete idiot realize he might just be altering the meaning sonewhat. Strange that does not occur to you when you constantly do so...then you are indignant and cry like a baby when it is pointed out just how far you strayed from the truth.

[EMJ]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Agreed. If you advertise to sell goods at a stated price, then you are obliged to do so...at least if you value your integrity.

They used to call this "bait and switch."

Almost every time I sell or buy something here, someone contacts me and tries to get me to break my deal and sell to them or buy their item cheaper...or they sell to someone else after I gave purchased the item but before they shipped. Everything becomes an auction because folks can't keep their word for a few more dollars. No thanks.

...... Pathetic.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by EMJ

Hmmm.... I guess I imagined this post and it appeared on PPOT.

No. But isn't it amazing how different my actual words are than those you claim I say. Strange how none of the words "only immoral, parasitic, blood sucking miscreants selling parts on Pelican" appear in any of my posts. Looks like you were caught misrepresenting the facts again.

[EMJ]

Like a lizard slithering in slime...

[fintstone]

LOL... Nice try, but you can repost every post I have ever made and you still will not find one that says what you claimed. You still are obviously morally challenged.

[EMJ]

The essence of what you wrote is captured succinctly in my description. To call that a lie, wow, you've got some serious problems.

Since you need help, a mapping translation:

"Dirtbags" = miscreants
"Lacking morals" = Immoral
"Bait and switch guys" = parasitic, blood suckers

You didn't say anything like this about the Pelican BBS guys, huh, Fint? It's not right there in your posts? Of course not, I hacked into PPOT and inserted those words into your posts.