The problem is that there are too many people

[Baz]

We're knee deep in the hoopla!

[black73]

If we would stop use food as a gasoline additive, there would be more food.
I have also heard the theory that the increase in homosexualism is Mother Natures attempt at population control. Not saying I believe it, but I have heard it.

[group911@aol.co]

Originally Posted by URY914

Not only are there too many people, we don't get along. Multiculturalism is a pipe dream. People like to be with those that are like themselves. That is why we're all here.

Speak for yourself.

[dennis in se pa]

Originally Posted by URY914

Not only are there too many people, we don't get along. Multiculturalism is a pipe dream. People like to be with those that are like themselves. That is why we're all here.

The combination that resulted from mixing the immigrants is what made America Great. We are multicultural. For the most part we do get along well. The social problems arise when people live in unnaturally dense quarters. That is the problem, not the multiculturalism. Blacks, whites, Indians, Irish, Germans and so on seem to get along fine in the suburbs and rural areas. People of the same culture do not get along when they are piled on top of one another.

[motion]

Originally Posted by URY914

Not only are there too many people, we don't get along. Multiculturalism is a pipe dream. People like to be with those that are like themselves. That is why we're all here.

As much as I hate to admit this, I have come to agree with it. I even have my own selfish reason for feeling OK with it: the preservation of cultures.

As an example, if immigrants keep streaming into Europe at the rate of a million a year, what do you think will happen to the traditions, language, food, etc. of the small individual countries in Europe in say, 50 years from now?

I realize that the US is different.

[group911@aol.co]

Originally Posted by motion

As much as I hate to admit this, I have come to agree with it. I even have my own selfish reason for feeling OK with it: the preservation of cultures.

As an example, if immigrants keep streaming into Europe at the rate of a million a year, what do you think will happen to the traditions, language, food, etc. of the small individual countries in Europe in say, 50 years from now?

I realize that the US is different.

It's been happening since the beginning of times and that's how they are what they are. Look at the history of Sicily. They've been invaded, ruled by and owned by countless different cultures and that's what made them who they are.
I'll bet even Paul likes himself some non white food. Maybe

[Chocaholic]

The doom and gloom has pervaded this thread. The earth can easily provide food for 10x the global population. Evolution applies and our growing population is part of the process. No worries fellas, we may nuke ourselves to oblivion but short of stupid human tricks the earth can support us for many millennia to come.

[M.D. Holloway]

Originally Posted by manbridge 74

You can tell most posters here don't drive across country. They take to the air. There is actually plenty of land and resources for more people yet.

Agree totally! Even when I was in China I saw plenty of land - lots of hills but land none the less.

We really do have plenty of resources, that's not the issue. We do push out a bunch of toxins regardless. There is a pretty straight forward algorithm that suggests the amount of toxins (total) that an average American produces vs. the amount that can be tolerated by the environment and the person. We are way over the threshold of allowable for disposables, flushables, and emissions.

[Baz]

With regard to mixing cultures....one size does not fit all.

The worst thing we can do is to FORCE cultures to mix.

Consider that Native American Indians had separate TRIBES...566 of them recognized by the federal government in 2015. The Cherokee...the Sioux....the Apache....

And in America we still have neighborhoods where people of similar cultures prefer to congregate and stick together. Chinatown....Little Italy....Washington Heights....Little Havana....

Just think about the different cultures of Africa and South America....Europe...Australia....Asia....it's mind boggling....

Knock off the social engineering crap and let's celebrate our differences....

[recycled sixtie]

Originally Posted by Baz

With regard to mixing cultures....one size does not fit all.

The worst thing we can do is to FORCE cultures to mix.

Consider that Native American Indians had separate TRIBES...566 of them recognized by the federal government in 2015. The Cherokee...the Sioux....the Apache....

And in America we still have neighborhoods where people of similar cultures prefer to congregate and stick together. Chinatown....Little Italy....Washington Heights....Little Havana....

Just think about the different cultures of Africa and South America....Europe...Australia....Asia....it's mind boggling....

Knock off the social engineering crap and let's celebrate our differences....

Well said Baz....

[group911@aol.co]

Originally Posted by Baz

With regard to mixing cultures....one size does not fit all.

The worst thing we can do is to FORCE cultures to mix.

Consider that Native American Indians had separate TRIBES...566 of them recognized by the federal government in 2015. The Cherokee...the Sioux....the Apache....

And in America we still have neighborhoods where people of similar cultures prefer to congregate and stick together. Chinatown....Little Italy....Washington Heights....Little Havana....

Just think about the different cultures of Africa and South America....Europe...Australia....Asia....it's mind boggling....

Knock off the social engineering crap and let's celebrate our differences....

Look at how well it worked out for the British Royalty.

[ckelly78z]

I think for the most part, America has become far more racist towards cultures different than our own over the last 8 years mainly. I know, I have far less tolerence for political groups like BLM who demand that I recognize, and embrace their agenda regardless of my own cultural upbringing.

One of the greatest things about the USA is the melting pot of different cultures coming together as one nation, HOWEVER, don't expect each culture to have loving acceptance of every other culture without occasional blowups.

I've often thought how great it would be to live in a small scandenavian country who is proud of their heritage, and every person is on board with it, while festivals, and ceremonies celebrate it. Unfortunately, the insurgence of middle eastern immigrants is ruining the sanctity, and innocence of these fine countries, all in the name of humanity.

[M.D. Holloway]

The USA is trying to figure it out, we don't have the 'purity' or traditions or culture compared to other places.

Folks want to belong, have a collective vision / direction. One reason why Trump won. There is no other message then 'we are America' what ever than means.

[KNS]

While there may be plenty of land, as some have stated, clean water will be a much bigger issue than land (I think water may have been mentioned earlier...). A separate issue than all the political and ethnic problems that exist.

[lukeh]

While the entire globe may have the resources to support more people certain global regions do not. If your country is mostly desert you just won't have the food and water to keep growing. You have to look at each area on a case by case basis.

[dennis in se pa]

Originally Posted by lukeh

While the entire globe may have the resources to support more people certain global regions do not. If your country is mostly desert you just won't have the food and water to keep growing. You have to look at each area on a case by case basis.

I agree with what was mentioned above above water being a BIG issue. LA could not exist without fantastic engineering to get water to it. And people in Africa live where there is no water and do not move. Remember there was not always water treatment. Until not long ago there were not so many people that this was an issue AND you could drink the water out of the springs and rivers. I guess our immune system was a little better back then.

Too many people. Now imagine if the Plague had not wiped out half of the population of the EurAsian continent in the 1300's!

[berettafan]

Originally Posted by motion

The other thing you have to consider is that in most parts of the world, the cultures could care less about cleanliness and conserving resources. IMHO, 90% of the world is a complete dump. The governments and people don't care one bit about having quiet, clean cities and conserving resources. They are hell-bent on accumulating wealth, which you cannot fault them for at all. Cheap Chinese products and cheaper energy have allowed that to happen.

this is my perspective as well.

I think much of the US population, particularly those of a certain political bent, believe the other countries on this plane are just variations of how we live here.

A client who visits China regularly to buy goods was telling me about a village of 8k people near Beijing where they share what is basically a two room outhouse. the village shares it....not every two houses or anything like that. This is near Beijing, not deepest, darkest Africa.

He also talks of well meaning human rights groups showing up and trying to shut down the factories where women and children work 18 hour days for $2 a day. He said the workers tell those people to go fly a kite, they need the job and consider themselves lucky to have it.

[Fast Freddy 944]

Originally Posted by dennis in se pa

When I think about pollution and the social ills the world has it occurs to me that much of it is caused because there are too many people. If there were a lot fewer people driving cars we would not have air pollution. In areas where the population is sparse they don't have emission inspections. Denser populated area have a higher crime rate than those areas with fewer people. Fewer people needing electricity would mean less coal burning. And so on. We had a lot fewer issues when we an agrarian society. So what drives us in this direction? Corporations needing more consumers for more profits? China recognizes this over population issue therefor it limits the birth rate. Maybe that is what is needed. Japan's population is actually predicted to decrease significantly because people there are not having children. Maybe this whole thing will eventually take care of itself.

Hug any trees lately?

Relax dude, while attending college, Yeup Fast Freddy is edumifucated, I had a buddy in another social studies class tell me that the entire population of the planet would only fill the state of Florida. If you are from Cali, there are parts there that are in a Basin land scape, so yeup you will see smog. When a volcano erupts it puts out more emissions than a few large cities. Modern autos since 1975, possably even earlier have adequate emission protection. Your fears are due to hype. My suggestion is turn off the boob-tube, pack a lunch and go for a nature walk. You will be ok!

[aschen]

If you think the world is overpopulated, spend a week in wyoming

Surely the earth could support a population of 100s of billions but everybody couldnt have 3000 sqft AC houses, 2+ cars, and literally crapping in purified water suitable for drinking.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by aschen

If you think the world is overpopulated, spend a week in wyoming

Surely the earth could support a population of 100s of billions but everybody couldnt have 3000 sqft AC houses, 2+ cars, and literally crapping in purified water suitable for drinking.

Wyoming has lots of wide open spaces. Try to grow some fruit, or raise food like California does. The growing season is short, and the water is not just easy to come by.

It takes several acres of land just to produce the food for one person for a year. It takes a lot of space to process the sewage and put the trash. Much less provide them with clean water.

Drive through some of the vast open spaces in Utah. There are many fantastically beautiful places in Utah, and there are large areas of not one single living thing. Just rocks and sand. Not even a weed.

The parts of the land that can grow food is limited. Yea, Montana like Oklahoma has crops, but number one is wheat. Great to brew beer, but when did you ever say man what I want is a big plate of wheat for dinner. Yea, I know it makes bread and other food staples.