Berlin attack

[intakexhaust]

They killed the roach in Milan. Shows how easy it is to move around in Europe, he went thru France and then to Italy.

Apparently was stopped at a random check for id and then pulled a .22. During exchanged fire one police officer was hit.

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by seafeye

So the news now is accurate?
We have to accept that there are people in this world who want to kill you because they want to kill you.
The only way to change this behavior is to give them a new focus. Farming, families, jobs etc...
Blowing up their villages or cities isn't going to change their goal, it will fuel it.

Those people don't hate you -- they are full of love.
But that makes lousy headlines.
So go look for them. Because the people in the media sure as hell won't show them to you.

You are just a crazy nut. I would tell you that to your face too.

[intakexhaust]

Originally Posted by seafeye

So the news now is accurate?
We have to accept that there are people in this world who want to kill you because they want to kill you.
The only way to change this behavior is to give them a new focus. Farming, families, jobs etc...
Blowing up their villages or cities isn't going to change their goal, it will fuel it.

Those people don't hate you -- they are full of love.
But that makes lousy headlines.
So go look for them. Because the people in the media sure as hell won't show them to you.

WTF?

Here you go fool. This past summer in Switzerland. What did this Swiss family do to deserve this? Those citizens are certainly at a greater risk. Sampling of whats escalating. Germany is going to have a helluva time.


Refugee's are given respect, decent living quarters, food, money, to even cigarettes, other donations plus access to educational libraries, local markets, etc.. Its not a perfect situation but there's some nice estates that some are temporarily residing at.

Many have a pent up violent demeanor. Fact.

[seafeye]

Originally Posted by rusnak

You are just a crazy nut. I would tell you that to your face too.

And your brainwashed by the media. I served and I saw what crazy people do. We will never get 100% rid of radicals. But much like the IRA we can come to a settlement. It starts with giving people something to live for.
Fear most, the ones with the least to lose.

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by seafeye

And your brainwashed by the media. I served and I saw what crazy people do. We will never get 100% rid of radicals. But much like the IRA we can come to a settlement. It starts with giving people something to live for.
Fear most, the ones with the least to lose.

I think you are speaking out of pure ignorance.

But to have any kind of discussion with you about this, you have to admit that there are radicalized Muslims and non-radicalized Muslims.

I know and work with a few non-radicalized Muslims, so your condescending attitude that I am brainwashed, and you are not, is just a non-starter. If you refuse to admit that there are radicalized Muslims who are NOT "full of love", then this discussion is over, and I just classify you as a nut wacko.

[seafeye]

Well I won't go into name calling.
There are crazy people in this world. You can't go and destroy whole cities to target the few. Remember it was a couple white Americans that blew up the building in Oaklahoma. These people are motivated by the actions of our government. We need to look into the mirror and ask ourselves why we are being attacked. I really don't care if you agree with me or not. You have been influenced to think that you are always on the morally correct side.
Let's pretend the Russians occupied the USA because Trump is considered a tyrant.
They wipe out our military and put soldiers in every major city. It wouldn't be long before we have a gorilla warfare going on. Then we would be the terrorist. It's the only war that can't be fought conventually.
There would be Americans all over the world attacking Russians.

Now substitute above Russians for Americans and USA for Iraq or Afghanistan.

[HardDrive]

Originally Posted by seafeye

Donald Trump 2016 "Isis needs to be eradicated from the face of the earth"

Lincoln "don't I destroy an enemy if I make him my friend?"

Would you mind putting me in contact with your marijuana dealer? The man sells a quality product.

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Ya know guys, America is widely despised around the world. For better or worse, we are the world's only superpower and are regarded as a bully who will stop at nothing to protect our plastic way of life. Seafeye has a very good point about looking in the mirror. From my prospective, we have a lot to be ashamed of.

I will also back him up in saying that I have experienced Muslim cultures all over the world. They are by and large friendly and peace-loving, and most likely just want to provide a decent life to their families. Yes, for sure, a small percentage of them are radicalized and would like nothing better than to see America on its knees. But, you can say the same thing for various other groups and religions. The Muslims just happen to be the most effective and determined.

That being said, I'm very pleased that we haven't opened our borders like Germany and other EU countries have. That was a big mistake. I believe they should be confined to areas that are already predominantly Muslim. Oil and water.

[rusnak]

Why do you think other Muslim countries did not want the Palestinians? Or the Russians despise radical Islamic Chechens? There is such a concept as "lie to me once, shame on you, lie to me twice, shame on me".

It's one thing to say let's not overgeneralize, but another thing entirely to insult Americans' intelligence as a weapon to get your way and to suggest that we should subordinate our national security to a vapid ideology and hippie style free love slogan. Call us bullies, whatever, I don't care. To me, that's so amateurish as to be transparent.

[seafeye]

The French president about a year ago said after the last terrorist attack "we must learn to live with terrorism"
He was ridiculed and condemned for saying that. But his meaning was lost with the majority. What he was trying to get out was that if the west continues to do as we do then we can expect more attacks. Anytime someone speaks out in an unconventional way they get branded a Liberal or Hippie. I don't speak CNN or Fox News because they have an adjenda. They make up **** in order to get viewers. Best thing we can do is think locally. Buy as many local goods as possible. The less money going to China the better. And if you can put two and two together you can understand why America is occupying Iraq an Afghanistan.
As long as there are terrorist attacks. We will be in those countries. Kinda convenient don't you think?

[black_falcon]

[svandamme]

Germans don't have any CCTV in public places because it would remind them of former totalitarian regimes.

They also put their police men and women on the streets with MP5's in Condition4
Even after the attack they were seen with MP5's lacking a magazine inserted.
Heavy Body armor, but nothign in the weapon.. So absolutely useless since the heavy Body Armour restriscts movement..

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by seafeye

...Lincoln "don't I destroy an enemy if I make him my friend?"

The army of Lincoln burned a path through the south destroying civilian industry and farms. He burned the farms of the Shenandoah Valley and other major cities after their surrenders...including Atlanta, Columbia, etc...robbing/looting civilians and.turning women and children into the fields without food and shelter in the middle of winter (the lucky ones not excecuted, tortured and raped).

[seafeye]

I think Atlanta was burned by the confederates to prevent the Union from progressing and capturing factories and ammo. I read once that the stories of rape and murder were mostly untrue. But we're told to shine the north in an Inproper light. The south was losing.
My unit in the Army had a sketchy past as well. In WWII a group of soldiers raped some nuns in France. Is the CO responsible? Captains? Lieutenants?
My point is I doubt that Lincoln or even Trump would authorize this kind of behavior. Bad people do bad things. Let's just hope that those with itchy trigger fingers can think before they shoot.