Pelican Parts
Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   Pelican Parts Forums > Miscellaneous and Off Topic Forums > Off Topic Discussions


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
Author
Thread Post New Thread    Reply
Registered
 
wdfifteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: SW Ohio
Posts: 29,236
Garage
I May Have Dodged a Bullet Here

About a year ago I began to hear a hissing noise coming from the bottom of my air tank. I thought it was the drain cock leaking and didn't pay much attention. But no matter how much I tightened it, the noise persisted. About 6 months ago it got noticeably worse, so I quit using the compressor pending finding time to fix it. I could see no visible problem, but the noise was coming from SOMEWHERE.
So I finally took it down a couple of months ago. There is a crack in the bottom of the tank! Due to a poor design, there is no way to drain all the water out of it. The welded-in flange that the inspection plug screws into protrudes into the tank by about 1/4 of an inch. The drain cock screws into the inspection plug, so there is 1/4 inch of water in the bottom of the tank at all times. My tank had rusted through and could have unzipped at any time. If you have one of these tanks (or any tank with a 2 inch inspection plug in the bottom) you might give it a look.



My 60 gallon compressor tank. It's only about 10 years old.



It has a 2" inspection plug in the bottom - not a good design.



I poked boroscope in the tank and it showed how the weld flange protrudes into the tank, leaving a lip that water can't get over when you drain the tank.



The inside was rusted significantly.




You couldn't see anything wrong when there was paint on the tank, but I had to heat it to get the inspection plug out and that burnt off the paint. With the paint gone, the crack was obvious. This thing could have come unzipped at any time.




The new tank. The drain cock flange is only 1/2 pipe. The inspection plug is on the side where it ought to be. It probably weights 40 pounds more than the old tank. It's a much more substantial piece.

__________________
.

Last edited by wdfifteen; 02-13-2017 at 06:30 AM..
Old 02-13-2017, 06:27 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #1 (permalink)
canna change law physics
 
red-beard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Houston, Tejas
Posts: 43,366
Garage
Drain plug can be on the side with a pickup tube, which would drain right to the bottom. The original picture looks like a poor execution of a weldolet. They are supposed to be flush on top of the tank metal, not inserted.

Where was the tank manufactured?
__________________
James
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the engineer adjusts the sails.- William Arthur Ward (1921-1994)
Red-beard for President, 2020
Old 02-13-2017, 06:35 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #2 (permalink)
canna change law physics
 
red-beard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Houston, Tejas
Posts: 43,366
Garage
And as far as not finding cracks until the paint was removed, sounds like my 914-6 oil tank!
__________________
James
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the engineer adjusts the sails.- William Arthur Ward (1921-1994)
Red-beard for President, 2020
Old 02-13-2017, 06:36 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #3 (permalink)
Control Group
 
Tobra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Carmichael, CA
Posts: 53,469
Garage
Wow Patrick, glad it did not pop and cut you in two or something. I have seen compressed air tanks let go and do impressive things.

Mine has the drain not at the lowest point, so I have to set on of the feet on a little piece of wood and then vent it to blow out the water.
__________________
She was the kindest person I ever met
Old 02-13-2017, 08:21 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #4 (permalink)
Kessel run in 12 parsecs!
 
Fast Freddy 944's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: DFW Texas
Posts: 3,360
Garage
In shop, and at home, we were always taught to drain the air compressor tanks, or they could be a big bang.
__________________
Getting old sucks, bring back the good old days, this new stuff is for the birds..
Old 02-13-2017, 08:28 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #5 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Indiana
Posts: 4,503
Garage
I never gave much thought to that situation until I saw a news article about a couple guys getting killed when an air tank blew up.
Old 02-13-2017, 10:17 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #6 (permalink)
 
Registered
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Fla panhandle / Roaming in my motorhome
Posts: 4,332
"I may have dodged a Bullet Here"


Wow, Patrick, yep a big blue one. Good catch there, whew.
Considering the condition of the rest of the tank, thay clearly have a design or construction problem.

Cheers Richard

Last edited by tevake; 02-13-2017 at 11:11 AM..
Old 02-13-2017, 10:33 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #7 (permalink)
Registered
 
MBAtarga's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Lawrenceville GA 30045
Posts: 7,377
I think I would be on the phone with PUMA customer service.

There have been several threads over on Garage Journal about this risk. Several very frightening pictures/videos from incidences of tank explosion cause by old age/rust/etc. You did dodge a bullet - actually more like a mortar.
__________________
Mark

'83 SC Targa - since 5/5/2001
'06 911 S Aerokit - from 5/2/2016 to 11/14/2018
'11 911 S w/PDK - from 7/2/2021 to ???
Old 02-13-2017, 10:35 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #8 (permalink)
Home of the Whopper
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Rocky Top, TN
Posts: 6,778
Garage
Hmmm, think I will drain my CA tank tonight!!
Thanks for the PSA and glad you are OK.
__________________
1968 912 coupe
1971 911E Targa rustbucket
1972 914 1.7
1987 924S
Old 02-13-2017, 10:42 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #9 (permalink)
Registered
 
Bill Douglas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: bottom left corner of the world
Posts: 22,700
Blame the Chinese.
Old 02-13-2017, 11:01 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #10 (permalink)
(the shotguns)
 
berettafan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Maryland
Posts: 21,545
man that is scary.
__________________
*****************************************
Well i had #6 adjusted perfectly but then just before i tightened it a butterfly in Zimbabwe farted and now i have to start all over again!
I believe we all make mistakes but I will not validate your poor choices and/or perversions and subsidize the results your actions.
Old 02-13-2017, 11:06 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #11 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Woodlands TX
Posts: 3,931
Is there a high probability that would have failed spectacularly if left unnoticed? I would have thought the crack would just propagate and open up more of less gradually.
__________________
84 930
07 Exige S
Old 02-13-2017, 11:42 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #12 (permalink)
I see you
 
flatbutt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: NJ
Posts: 29,879
that pic actually made my colon twitch!
__________________
Si non potes inimicum tuum vincere, habeas eum amicum and ride a big blue trike.
"'Bipartisan' usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out."
Old 02-13-2017, 11:50 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #13 (permalink)
Registered
 
wdfifteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: SW Ohio
Posts: 29,236
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by aschen View Post
Is there a high probability that would have failed spectacularly if left unnoticed? I would have thought the crack would just propagate and open up more of less gradually.
No. A better engineer than I am is going to have to explain it in detail, but the stress is greater at the point of a crack than anywhere along the crack. The surrounding structure gives the entire structure its strength. When part of that surrounding structure is breached, the stress ( and accompanying strain) at the point is more than the material can withstand without deforming. Stick a pin in a balloon and examine the carcass. It's not a balloon with a little hole in it, it's in shreds.

https://sites.google.com/site/metropolitanforensics/cause-of-explosion-of-air-compressor-tanks
__________________
.
Old 02-13-2017, 01:33 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #14 (permalink)
Registered
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: La Crosse, WI
Posts: 1,318
Where did you get the replacement tank? I have an old (almost 30 years) Craftsman compressor and I want to replace the tank, but I've been unable to find one that costs less than a new compressor.
Old 02-13-2017, 03:37 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #15 (permalink)
Registered
 
Shaun @ Tru6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Cambridge, MA
Posts: 44,257
Here's what I did but I am super anal about water in the system since I use it to paint.

I put a ball valve at the bottom of the tank with clear tubing so you can see what comes out. I drain the tank every other day. Have a dehumidifier in the room too. In the summer, it can suck up a gallon of water every two-threesdays which seems shocking in a second story, closed room. How all that water gets in is beyond me.

First time I drained the tank after first few months of use, at least 2 gallons of rusty water came out. After that I put the ball valve in.

Even with that protocol, you'd be surprised how much water can get into the system.

Second pic is the line that goes up from the compressor into the ceiling and down to the Rapid Air system. In the summer I can open that valve midday and get a decent spray of water.

Then the filtration system. I take the first water trap off every day and let the canister and filter dry out. Even doing that, I have to revive the desiccant once a month.

It is amazing how much water gets into a system. My compressor, 80 gallon tank, runs at least 20 times a day for short periods each time to refill the system.







__________________
Tru6 Restoration & Design
Old 02-13-2017, 05:18 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #16 (permalink)
Registered
 
wdfifteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: SW Ohio
Posts: 29,236
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockfan4 View Post
Where did you get the replacement tank? I have an old (almost 30 years) Craftsman compressor and I want to replace the tank, but I've been unable to find one that costs less than a new compressor.
You may not want one that costs less than a new compressor. I can't imagine how weak it would be. The PUMA that rusted out sells for $549 complete with motor and compressor. I paid a little over $400 for the new ASME coded tank alone. I think I got it at Compressor World https://www.compressorworld.com/air-tanks/vertical-with-top-plate/
Depending on your situation you may be better off buying a new $549 dollar compressor every few years. We do live in a disposable economy.
Or you could get a good tank that will outlive you and probably your motor and compressor.

__________________
.
Old 02-14-2017, 12:11 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #17 (permalink)
Reply

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

 


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:16 PM.


 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2025 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page
 

DTO Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.