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john70t 04-15-2017 10:12 AM

That unknown fine-print release means nothing to deposition during trial though.

And like OJ, the private details are gonna be wrapped up about as tight as minnows caught in dragline net.
Leaks are gonna happen all over the place I suspect.

Even with Gao being dirty the public sway seems to be absolute at this point. One way. Munoz is making it worse.

McLovin 04-15-2017 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 9551577)
The prior history will most likely be inadmissible due to lack of relevance.

Possibly some of it could be relevant to damages (e.g. if the doctor claims loss of income, the status of his medical license would be relevant) but his counsel will avoid seeking damages that open the door to damaging evidence.

I think a lot of his "bad things" can possibly be admitted.

Yes it depends on what kind of damages the lawyers seek, but they almost certainly will claim all sorts of "psychic" damages - emotional distress, nightmares, stress, etc. It's difficult to imagine their suit wouldn't have those claims.

That could very possibly open him up to an examination of all the stressors in his life. Which arguably could include having a med license suspended, being accused of crimes, sexual misconduct, etc. etc. etc.

speeder 04-15-2017 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by john70t (Post 9551949)
That unknown fine-print release means nothing to deposition during trial though.

And like OJ, the private details are gonna be wrapped up about as tight as minnows caught in dragline net.
Leaks are gonna happen all over the place I suspect.

Even with Gao being dirty the public sway seems to be absolute at this point. One way. Munoz is making it worse.

Depositions do not happen during trials. Legal education by mail order? :confused:

john70t 04-15-2017 10:27 AM

Uh Yeah. Thanks for the correction.

jyl 04-15-2017 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by McLovin (Post 9551950)
I think a lot of his "bad things" can possibly be admitted.

Yes it depends on what kind of damages the lawyers seek, but they almost certainly will claim all sorts of "psychic" damages - emotional distress, nightmares, stress, etc. It's difficult to imagine their suit wouldn't have those claims.

That could very possibly open him up to an examination of all the stressors in his life. Which arguably could include having a med license suspended, being accused of crimes, sexual misconduct, etc. etc. etc.

Not that easy. More prejudicial than probative.

jyl 04-15-2017 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 9551923)
I could not agree more. However, in a parallel universe last week, Munoz was oddly combative:

United CEO: Passenger 'disruptive belligerent'

United CEO Oscar Munoz doubled down in a letter to employees on Monday evening, claiming that employees "followed established procedures" when removing a passenger from a plane because it was overbooked, and calling the passenger "disruptive and belligerent."

United had to ask several passengers who had already boarded a flight from Chicago to Louisville on Sunday evening to leave, as the airline had sold too many tickets. One man refused to leave, and United called airport officials, who forcibly removed him from the plane.

Video circulated of the incident earlier in the day, showing the man being dragged from the plane and later returning with blood on his face. The incident drew scorn on Twitter and other social media, especially when Munoz used the euphemism "re-accomodate" in a public statement to describe the customers booted from the flight.

According to the letter, which was obtained by CNBC, when crew members first approached the passenger to tell him to leave, he "raised his voice and refused to comply," and each time they asked again "he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent."

Crew members "were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight," Munoz wrote, and at one point the passenger "continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials."

Munoz acknowledged to employees that the company could learn lessons from the incident, but said: "I emphatically stand behind all of you."


Munoz may be getting dragged out of the United Boardroom soon if he doesn't get his PR folks out of hibernation and in front of this.

Such a bizarre approach to crisis management.

Chocaholic 04-15-2017 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 9551459)
How about checking out the truth or falsity of "gossip" before deliberately spreading it.

"I heard gossip that Chocaholic has cheated other Pelicans and ripped people off on the for sale board. Probably not true but curious if there isn't something to it. Thoughts?"

Somebody pee in your cornflakes this morning? Sheesh.

intakexhaust 04-15-2017 11:00 AM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-much-david-dao-united-170331922.html

“Dr. Dao will likely get millions here,” James Goodnow, an attorney with the Lamber-Goodnow Injury Law Team at Fennemore Craig, who is licensed in Chicago, told International Business Times in an interview Thursday. “The only question is how many zeros will follow the first number.”

Dao has a number of claims against both the city of Chicago and United. First and foremost, he has an assault and battery case.

“This is going to be a slam dunk, a no-brainer, an easy win,” Goodnow told IBT. “It’s documented on multiple cell phones. There’s no question.”

Other claims will likely include breach of contract, false imprisonment, defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

“That’s just a big fancy way of saying that the officers involved, and/or United Airlines, intentionally engaged in outrageous conduct that could be expected to have an emotional impact on Dr. Dao,” said Goodnow. “I think most people would consider this conduct outrageous and I think there’s little question Dao has suffered emotionally.”

There is no specific monetary cap in Chicago on what a plaintiff can get. Dao would likely collect on an array of damages including medical bills, lost wages and general damages, which include those things that can’t be quantified, like emotional distress and pain and suffering. Illinois is one of the most restrictive places in the country when it comes to punitive damages, which refer to damages awarded to punish wrongdoers and deter future wrong conduct, so lawyers would have to look elsewhere for a larger payday.

onewhippedpuppy 04-15-2017 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 9551973)
Such a bizarre approach to crisis management.

The man at the top sets the tone. Based on his response I wouldn't expect to see much change.

speeder 04-15-2017 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 9552008)
The man at the top sets the tone. Based on his response I wouldn't expect to see much change.

I predict huge changes, possibly starting w his replacement. This was an earthquake in corporate culture.

I think that guy did more for passengers' rights than everything else combined since the post 9/11 TSA era began.

rwest 04-15-2017 03:07 PM

I needed to book a flight in for August, so I checked different sites for prices and figured that I should check United for a possible low price since all the bad press; not worried about this isolated incident and my "safety" interestingly they were a couple hundred higher than several other airlines.

Rtrorkt 04-15-2017 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tervuren (Post 9551433)
It was a joke, saying how accurate gossip can be. SmileWavy

+1 since fake news is all the rage, thought i would troll to see who bit

stomachmonkey 04-15-2017 08:25 PM

The hits just keep coming.

United now Hell's official airline after scorpion stings passenger mid-flight · Newswire · The A.V. Club

speeder 04-15-2017 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rwest (Post 9552210)
I needed to book a flight in for August, so I checked different sites for prices and figured that I should check United for a possible low price since all the bad press; not worried about this isolated incident and my "safety" interestingly they were a couple hundred higher than several other airlines.

They had to start a collection for that guy's legal settlement. Those beatings can get expensive. :)

island911 04-16-2017 06:05 AM

The silver lining in this is that in this hyper PC world no one has claimed this guy is an Asian Rosa Parks.

That's some PC police progress. Then again, are Asians part of an official victim tribe? hmmmm...

dennis in se pa 04-16-2017 06:23 AM

The Doctor disobeyed an order from a law enforcement officer. His injuries are the direct result of his actions. He is a criminal, not a victim. He deserves jail not monetary compensation.

stomachmonkey 04-16-2017 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 9552655)
The silver lining in this is that in this hyper PC world no one has claimed this guy is an Asian Rosa Parks.

That's some PC police progress. Then again, are Asians part of an official victim tribe? hmmmm...

Why would anyone do that?

Anyone who thinks there are any parrallels or similarities is an idiot.

island911 04-16-2017 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 9552694)
Why would anyone do that?..

They typically do it when over-playing the victim-card. :)

We've all seen far too many examples. Nice to see it not happen here.

stomachmonkey 04-16-2017 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dennis in se pa (Post 9552677)
The Doctor disobeyed an order from a law enforcement officer. His injuries are the direct result of his actions. He is a criminal, not a victim. He deserves jail not monetary compensation.

Actually no, he's not a criminal.

One could argue that United was guilty of theft.

He paid for something that United refused to provide.

island911 04-16-2017 06:53 AM

And UAL will show the fine print of the 'agreement' that no one reads.

and the buyer will tout expectations... based on typical travel.

In the end, the captain of the ship makes the rules for the cargo.


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