Strong point.

United Air removes engaged couple traveling to wedding from plane
the hits just keep on coming

There it is...

I was surprised, posting a while back, that race wasn't one of the victim cards being played. (being that it's such a regular favorite of people looking for ways to feather their victim bed.)

aside, I thought that I read he's Vietnamese American.

from the link The hits?

yawn.

Copycat, looking to get thrown off, with a big payout.....

According to the couple, who said they were en route to get married, a federal marshal had escorted them.....

United said in a statement, adding "They were asked to leave the plane by our staff and complied."

See, No downside to behaving like an ass: "the airline offered the couple a discounted hotel rate for the night, and rebooked them on a Sunday morning flight."

so there is a guy sleeping across the seats they are supposed to use. They are last on board, so rather than slow things down, they find two seats. Easy fix here is for the flight attendant to ask sleeping boy to not use all three seats and then ask the couple to sit where they are supposed to. According to the article, that is not what happened.

Flying every week, I have seen share of bizarre stuff. Right now I use American exclusively and what I see with them are cabin crews who seems to have the right attitude and are focused on defusing situations not escalating them. I stopped using United, even though I had enough status to not be abused. Once the United/Continental merger went through, customer service really suffered. I think they remain mired in their inability to figure out seniority, merge their cultures, etc.

Granted this article most likely is very thin on the details, but you would think that any employee of United would do their best not to get in the news again. Default seems if there is an issue in the plane punt it to the cops.

When I read it I thought about how a couple headed to their "Big day" are going to have their sense of entitlement volume turned up to 11. "but we're off to get married doncha know.."

But maybe that's it; Build a story, get a pay-out.

could well be. Will be interesting to see where this one goes. Guess they are in Costa Rica now toasting with drinks with those little umbrellas

and, they have a "big story."

He sues both. They were not air marshals, they were Chicago airport police, acting as the agents of United. If I hire you to provide security at my office, at you beat hell out of some guy in my waiting room, we are both getting named in the lawsuit. That is how it works.

WTF does tort reform have to do with any of this?
It is not. See above.

I have no idea what happened with the couple. I could see it going down a few different ways:

-There might not have been anyone sleeping and the couple just wanted better seats and were a PITA to deal with.

-It might have gone down exactly as described because United wants to guard people from sitting in the "premium" seats without paying for them--even on a half-booked flight.

I haven't flown in 3 years. I haven't paid to fly myself in 7 years. I don't like the choice between being molested or having myself photographed nude to even get to the gate. I don't like being treated like cattle. I don't like that being mistreated by the airline and complaining about it will result in my arrest. I don't like that the airline may elect to hold me hostage on a plane for an indefinite period of time. I don't like that an entire industry has a level of customer service that is only rivaled by Comcast. I don't like that flying is essentially unpredictable, in that the seat I paid for may not be granted to me for various reasons. I don't like that a big reason for this unpredictability is that an airline doesn't treat my ticket like a contract but like a request. Driving may take longer, but it is cheaper and more predictable, and I have my civil rights in place the entire trip.

The Dr. did bring some of this on himself. When 3 armed cops show up in the plane and they tell me to get off, I leaving weather I'm being paid to leave or not. It is not going to end well if I say no.

I cannot disagree more. Just because someone on a power trip escalates things far beyond what is warranted, doesn't mean I should give in. This is just a form of government-sanctioned bullying. Nothing more. Bullies count on people giving in.

The gate agents likely did not know the rules either. That's a problem.

If they did know the rules they intentionally broke them likely because they thought the passenger did not know the rules. That's a bigger problem.

The passenger did not do anything different than any other passenger. Not a single one of them voluntarily gave up their seat. He just took it the farthest.

You obviously don't know me that well.

How I act in any given situation is really dependent on how the other party acts.

Ask the lady in Colorado who rented me a ski house for a week that did not have one stick of furniture in it. She initially agreed to a refund then subsequently changed her mind when she mistakenly thought I would not bother spending the time or money to fly back and take her to small claims court over it.

I got my money back. Ended up costing me roughly what she owed me so in the end I was still out the money but at least she did not have it.

Or my HOA who currently have spent a few hundred to get me to pay a $35.00 fee that I don't owe and that they are not entitled to.

They will get their $35.00, eventually, but the real cost to them by that time will likely be in the thousands.

It's not about the money, it's the principal.

Treat me fairly and I'll reciprocate in spades, try to screw me, especially when you know you are trying to screw me and you know I know you are trying to screw me and I become "unsettling".

Another one. No video. United keeps stepping on their collective winkies.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/04/16/a-couple-says-they-were-kicked-off-a-united-flight-on-the-way-to/22042273/

Tobra:
Sorry, man you are smoking. United did not hire the folks doing security. That was provided to the airport itself. Airports are separate from the airlines themselves. Some are private, some are quasi government. United don't run the airport, they just use the airport (paying fees).

To use your example, there is a big difference between you directly hiring a security person for your office vs one being provided to you in the building you lease from. Even then, who you hire should be licensed, bonded, and insured. Just like you carry insurance for the work you do.

United utilized '911' for them. United did not choose (select) the security staff.

If they had chosen staff, per your example, sure, they would be a named party. However, they didn't, so they should not be sued. That would be like me calling 911 then being sued cause the county police beat up the person I called the police on.

Anytime you go against law enforcement, expect to loose. Hell, this has been covered so many other ways on this board. Do what the officer tells you to do so you don't get fuked up. Simple.

Deal with police after the fact via lawyers. Till you are away from them, yes sir, no sir...and don't talk.

Somebody must have instructed the security people to remove the passenger. The security people would not act unless with United Airlines concurrence.

It does not matter what you or I say Tadd the judge and court will decide on this issue. It should be an interesting case.

Further to this a normal rational man if asked to leave the plane and he did not then he would likely ask why he would have to. He should be given a reason. You cannot be hauled out of an aircraft involuntarily(or should not be) in a free society.

And Tobra is not smoking anything. He knows what he is talking about.....

Recycle:
So the officer pulls you over, asks you to step out of the car. You give a reasonable response or even ask a question. Officer says get out of the car. You going to sit there??

Of course United called the airport security. United however did not instruct the security how to do their jobs.

All I know is Tobra is a podiatrist, not a law enforcement officer, and we never see eye to eye. Maybe he was an MP in his past military service. Given what I know about getting an MD, I doubt it (takes way too long to do anything else). Who knows, just guessing and assuming.

First off the passenger was not sitting in a car. He was sitting in a paid for passenger seat in an aircraft.
Like I said the Judge will make the decision.