If Max had lifted Seb would've run Kimi into the wall and taken both Ferraris out which would've been so poetic.

Anyway, #TeamLH pullin' away. And since MB don't have to hand Rosberg a sympathetic WDC, there shouldn't be any mechanical failures like Malaysia last year.

Other than the fireworks at the start this turned out to be a pretty dull race.

I think I'm starting to join the 'this is a processional' crowd. There is usually racing in the mid-field but not at the front. That is decided on Saturday and the start, which is a shame.

That said; if you are Kimi and your teammate is fighting for the WDC and your team is fighting for the constructor's title, should you lift and not force the issue at turn 1? Just a thought.

It was so boring that I watched Arsenal and Chelsea instead. A scoreless draw was more interesting than the race.

Singapore doesn't have any room for overtaking. All of the action is either due to crashes or pit strategy.

Even if it did, Ricciardo wasn't close enough anyway, nor was Bottas.

Why is it that the mid-pack can get close and pass but at the front it is usually big gaps and they never get close enough to contest the issue?

yep. The city looks amazing, cars look great under the lights.... but they might as well be sitting still, so boring.

Verstappen really needs to get off my lawn. Evidently everyone's car has a brake pedal EXCEPT his.

I wanted to reach through the TV and grab that snot-nosed spoiled brat and slap the sheet out of him, explaining why it is NOT everyone else's fault all the time.
What a punk. No responsibility, nothing but smug excuses all the time.
There's a reason we have an age limit on driver's licences, in F1 the minimum age should be 21.



PS singapooooor sux big time, worst circuit in the season.
Street circuits are for minor league cart/indy (Monaco gets a pass).

Nah, that would not have happened.


Not if you're already past Max...

Let me be the first to reluctantly congratulate Lewis on his 2017 world championship. It's gonna take a miracle for the slightly inferior Ferrari car to make that up with the coming circuits (and possible engine penalties). They maintained the illusion that someone could fight with mercedes till 6 races to the end, not bad...

I don't agree with Sammyg2 on this one, though in general I do agree with his assessment of Verstappen. This time, Vettel moved left to block Max, and since Kimi was to Max's left, where could the kid go ? Vettel did this to himself, and in the process deprived us of watching Alonso fight in the top 3 (before his car inevitably exploded 2 laps before the end ;-)

This trend to jinx off your line to block people at starts should be taken out via the rule book. Senna started it, Schumi perfected it, it's ugly... No line change for the first 200m or something ? In this case justice was served, he jinxed and he paid. I wish it would happen each and everytime someone moves off his line at the start, They might learn from it. I don't like Hamilton but he's driving smarter than Vettel for sure.

Its funny, these sorts of things used to occur further back in the field. Now its at the front. Or wherever Max happens to be... If he wanted to race, he should have backed off when he saw that he was going to be a Ferrari sandwich. Nothing good was going to come of that.

Funny too that as Hammy was starting on the 3rd row or wherever, I thought he would get caught out in similar antics. Was that smarter? Probably just luck. I really don't want him to win another WDC, such a DB.

Is it time to allow testing?????

FFS, something has got to happen to make this more competitive. Of course the counter argument is that Mercedes dominated w/o testing so others should be able to do so as well.

I'm just frustrated that the anticipation of the event turned into such a bust yesterday.

And I'm 100% with Sammy on Singapooor. It looks good but for racing it blows.

Glad I DVR all the races. I must have skipped through half the race. Whenever I see the pop-up for the driver conversations, I will stop and watch those and the commentary after it, but this track does suck. After the turn 1 schmozzle, not much going on.

Singapore has great optics but the racing sucks
It reminds me of the Delmar track back the IMSA GTP days, racing in a flood control channel.

The way to make racing more competitive might be a more equitable TV money distribution. The teams that have the greatest need of development capital get the least TV money. Think about how team sports use the draft to bolster struggling teams. In F1, money equals better players.

As for the Verstappen debacle (yes Verstappen is at the center of a lot of kaos) experience will teach him that sometimes you're just beat to the corner and there are many more corners for racing.
If Verstappen would have held his line (as apposed to erratic movement to the left causing contact with Kimi) and simply conceded the corner by tapping his breaks, then everyone may have made the corner.
Sad how Max blames the two world champions in the incident but not his lack of experience.

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Mark Weber's opinion: (I imagine he understands more than we do since he's been there and is no friend of Vettel)

"There's absolutely no way that Sebastian knew Kimi made such a fantastic start, so he's now focusing on Max," Channel 4 pundit Webber said during the broadcaster's analysis of the race. "Kimi's made the best start out of all of them and then there's an absolutely shocking timing of events where they've just run into each other.


"Max Verstappen, totally innocent, absolutely innocent. Seb did try to protect heavily to the left. Kimi got the biggest penalty ever for a great start. It just destroyed the race."

Part of the TV channel's coverage then turned to a comparison with a collision at the 2010 Turkish Grand Prix, one of the infamous flashpoints in Webber's feud with Vettel during their most competitive season together. During that race, Vettel caught and passed Webber in the final sector, but appeared to turn across the Australian's car early, causing contact which led to his retirement from the race.

Webber, who partnered the German between 2009 and 2013, also pointed out that Hamilton -- who's win in Singapore moved him 28 points clear of Vettel in the championship -- was the man who capitalised for the victory on that occasion in Istanbul.

Watching the incident unfold on a TV in front of him, he said: "Yeah, [this one is] different speeds, we were obviously going at 310 km/h...

"I think sometimes Seb forgets that where the back of his helmet is is not where the back of his car is! There's a bit more he's got to get through. There it is... straight across. And look there, again, who's behind us! Lewis is watching it all unfold again."


Sebastian Vettel (left) makes contact with Max Verstappen, forcing the Red Bull driver into Kimi Raikkonen's Ferrari. Lars Baron/Getty Images
Though the stewards eventually cleared all three men of blame, Webber was angry the drivers even needed to give an account of themselves after the race.

"It's a joke. It's done. Seb's leaving here in pieces. Ferrari's got no points. Max's has got no points. All of them have been wiped out.

"I just get frustrated is because we've had a car race, we've left the track, these boys are in the barriers, they're massively frustrated -- they're burning inside, these boys. Then they've got to sit and listen to some guy say 'well, you know, I've got a slo-mo, we've gotta do this, we've gotta do this', it's not real."

Quote Verstappen : "I'm HAPPY the three of us retired not just ME......."
What a spoiled POS.

Lots of blame being assigned to Verstappen here, but if Seb had not cut across the track to block Max none of this would have happened.


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The pole sitter choosing his own line is what every driver does.
Vettel did exactly what every pole sitter has done for decades.
More experienced drivers understand that if you plan a pass you must be responsible for the outcome.
Every picture or series of pictures I've seen shows Verstappen with room to back out of the throttle. I guess restraint is not in Maxie's DNA.

I just re-watched the in car video from Max's car. From what I saw on the video, Max kept a straight line and did not move the steering wheel until contact with Kimi's rear wheel. So, he was not influenced by Seb's move left and did not react to it either.

At that point, Seb was past him and Kimi was 3/4 car length ahead. So, I'm thinking he should have given HIMSELF room, if not the other guys. No self preservation.

Hamilton's opinion of it all, from Autosport:

Lewis Hamilton has suggested Sebastian Vettel probably couldn't see Max Verstappen and Kimi Raikkonen in the moments before they collided at the start of the Formula 1 Singapore Grand Prix.
Vettel, Raikkonen and Verstappen were all eliminated from the Marina Bay race as a result of the crash, for which the FIA stewards did not apportion blame.
Verstappen was convinced Vettel's aggressive defence of the lead after a slow start from pole caused the shunt, while Vettel could not explain the sequence of events that led to his disastrous retirement from the race.
Hamilton emerged from fifth on the grid to win the grand prix, extending his points lead over Vettel to 28 with six races to run.
When asked for his views on the start, Mercedes driver Hamilton explained it can be difficult for the poleman to know where his rivals are positioned in the immediate moments after the lights go out.
"Often - when you look at my last start at Monza - when you pull away, you can't actually see the guy who's in second place," said Hamilton, who described the crash as "an unfortunate racing incident".
"They're generally in your blind spot if they get as good a start as you, and it's difficult to know where they are.
"So your immediate thought is to cover your ground, get to the inside and cover and turn them down, so I assume that's what he [Vettel] did.
"When you do that, all of a sudden they appear in your mirror so you can understand where they are, or [if they are] in your peripheral view, but sometimes you do it and you realise you're ahead so you actually didn't need to.
"I don't [know] if Sebastian felt that way or not. I was only focused on trying to get away faster than Daniel [Ricciardo].
"I saw Kimi, so I was just keeping an eye on what's happening on my left side and if some drama was going to happen I was just going to have to go straight at Turn 1 and not get collected, which I was conscious of."


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Go Ham!!
 

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