NK hostage released but in a coma...

[Baz]

Don't understand why you can't feel compassion for someone who died just because they may have used poor judgement.

Some of you people are really too much....are you really that perfect that you don't make mistakes?

The kid was in a coma and kept by NK....died right after being released.

No matter what he did - he didn't deserve that.

[motion]

Originally Posted by Baz

Don't understand why you can't feel compassion for someone who died just because they may have used poor judgement.

Some of you people are really too much....are you really that perfect that you don't make mistakes?

The kid died while in captivity.

No matter what he did - he didn't deserve that.

Visiting North Korea on vacation takes bad judgement to a whole nother level.

[Scott Douglas]

Originally Posted by Baz

The kid died while in captivity.

See Baz, that's where you're wrong in your thinking. I'm pretty sure the NK's are saying "Hey, we're the good guys. We released him while he was still alive. Even the great American medical system couldn't save him."

[Scott Douglas]

Originally Posted by motion

Visiting North Korea on vacation takes bad judgement to a whole nother level.

You can sure say that again.

[Don Ro]

Originally Posted by Baz

Don't understand why you can't feel compassion for someone who died just because they may have used poor judgement.

Some of you people are really too much....are you really that perfect that you don't make mistakes?

The kid died while in captivity.

No matter what he did - he didn't deserve that.

"No matter what he did - "
.
What if...
...he didn't want to leave his dog in a kennel so he shot it in the head prior to leaving?
Same heartfelt view?

[Baz]

Originally Posted by motion

Visiting North Korea on vacation takes bad judgement to a whole nother level.

Some feel that women wear way too provocative clothing. What if they also get intoxicated. Does that mean you don't feel compassion when they are abducted, raped, and murdered?

Bad judgement means no compassion?

I disagree with that.....what if it were your son (or daughter).....OK not to have compassion because they exercised poor judgement?

[Baz]

Originally Posted by Scott Douglas

See Baz, that's where you're wrong in your thinking. I'm pretty sure the NK's are saying "Hey, we're the good guys. We released him while he was still alive. Even the great American medical system couldn't save him."

I understand the point you are making, Scott.

But they should have released him as soon as he went into the coma.

I edited my post.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by Scott Douglas

See Baz, that's where you're wrong in your thinking. I'm pretty sure the NK's are saying "Hey, we're the good guys. We released him while he was still alive. Even the great American medical system couldn't save him."

Originally Posted by Don Ro

"No matter what he did - "
.
What if...
...he didn't want to leave his dog in a kennel so he shot it in the head prior to leaving?
Same heartfelt view?

That's a whole different scenario. Not a valid analogy. You know my position on the rights of innocents....animals...babies.....like this kid. 20 years old, is a baby.

[Don Ro]

20 yrs. old is young. I wonder if his parents had any input.
I'd like to think that if I had a son with is intentions and if I couldn't talk him out of it I'd tie his sorry ass to the barn door until he got his head straight.

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by Baz

Some feel that women wear way too provocative clothing. What if they also get intoxicated. Does that mean you don't feel compassion when they are abducted, raped, and murdered?

Bad judgement means no compassion?

I disagree with that.....what if it were your son (or daughter).....OK not to have compassion because they exercised poor judgement?

I understand what you're saying Baz.

But the difference in my mind is that NK has declared itself enemies of the U.S.. They have a whole propaganda machine telling their citizens that Americans will actually eat them, and want to invade.

And then you just go there and say "Hi". It's like taking a bath in Alpo and jumping into a pit of wild dogs. That was just beyond dumb. Like unbelievably dumb.

[Don Ro]

Baz:
"Not a valid analogy."
~~~~~~
Wasn't trying to analogize...just drawing your attention to your mood-specific compassion.
A while back it was posted that a highly depressed woman killed her two (not sure how many) dogs.
And I recall that she then killed herself.
You went ballistic and verbally condemned her to hell.

After a few objecting posts by forum members you deleted your post.
So, just curious about how, when, and for whom your compassion surfaces, that's all.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by rusnak

I understand what you're saying Baz.

But the difference in my mind is that NK has declared itself enemies of the U.S.. They have a whole propaganda machine telling their citizens that Americans will actually eat them, and want to invade.

And then you just go there and say "Hi". It's like taking a bath in Alpo and jumping into a pit of wild dogs. That was just beyond dumb. Like unbelievably dumb.

Russ...I think we're in agreement. I never stated going to NK was a good decision.

I'm just saying the kid still deserves some compassion. He paid with his life....at 20 years old.

Under suspicious circumstances no less. We still don't know for sure what killed him.

Sucks....

[Crowbob]

A brutal totalitarian regime with no sense of human decency was not something this boy could ever have comprehended at age 20. He prolly figured all the talk he heard about Kim, et.al., was simply propaganda.

This boy's whole life happened amidst basic human rights and due process. He prolly thought the UN would go in there and straighten Kim out if he was really as bad as he'd heard he was.



Wrong!

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by Baz

Some feel that women wear way too provocative clothing. What if they also get intoxicated. Does that mean you don't feel compassion when they are abducted, raped, and murdered?

Bad judgement means no compassion?

I disagree with that.....what if it were your son (or daughter).....OK not to have compassion because they exercised poor judgement?

Choice in clothing and choosing to go to North Korea are kind of different levels of bad judgment. Not really a good analogy there.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by McLovin

Choice in clothing and choosing to go to North Korea are kind of different levels of bad judgment. Not really a good analogy there.

Your choice of paraphrasing is interesting.

How about choice of travel vs. taking your clothes off in the middle of east LA at 2am in the morning...while drunk and yelling out racial slurs?

Does that analogy fit?

[john70t]

Originally Posted by rusnak

They have a whole propaganda machine telling their citizens that Americans will actually eat them.

You haven't had N.Korean meat yet?

It's quite tasty actually.
Needs a few days more marinading due to the lack of muscle.
Just a skeleton of what it once was.

Other than that pour on the hot sauce and go to town!
Them North Korea types is good eatin'!

[McLovin]

I guess it's closer, but what's the point?

[jyl]

Originally Posted by mgatepi

Does anyone remember over the past year and a half ANY news concerning the negotiations of Otto's release by the O administration?

As for the amount, (don't call it ransom, call it a donation for the NK leaders sex change operation, this would be an easy sell to the left) I don't know ....what is a middle class white boys worth anymore in the age of Identity politics?

Doesn't matter what you call it. Everyone will know the USA pays ransom for hostages. Really want to open that Pandora's box? Every year, tens of millions of U.S. citizens travel abroad. They can be kidnapped as easily in London as in Mozambique.

[URY914]

"President Obama left him there. President Trump got him back. No need to overthink it. Yes, murderous North Korean thugs killed 22-year-old Otto Warmbier after holding him for 17 months, but the last administration was willfully impotent in dealing with the regime. Obama’s official approach was dubbed “strategic patience.” It sounds like a term that wins the marketing meeting but has little effect in real life. Kind of like “leading from behind.”

In the case of poor Warmbier, it meant that all hope was gone."

Shattuck: Differences in Trump, Obama efforts speak for themselves | Boston Herald

[john70t]

Can you spot the media discrepancy?