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McLovin 07-09-2017 09:05 AM

Yes, people aren't understanding what happened, but that's because the post is a bit unclear, and you have to read 2 separate posts to get the full story.

The OP said "I posted a wanted ad on the local Kart club's online classifieds (I am a member).

Yesterday morning a guy replied with his phone number. I called him 40 minutes later. It was 7:00 AM (his time when I called) and someone else already scooped it."

That makes it sound like the seller sent a PM to OP. Or at least that's a reasonable interpretation, and makes it confusing.

It's also unclear as to WHO the OP is suggesting did the dick move (most readers erroneously think he is pointing the finger mostly at the seller)

But from later posts, it becomes more clear what happened:

1) OP posted want ad.
2) Seller posted publicly IN THE THREAD "Hey I have one, call me at 555-5555."
3) Joe Blow (some random guy) saw the thread, and called the seller, pretending to be OP.
4) Seller sold to Joe Blow.

If those are the facts, things seem pretty obvious. Seller did nothing wrong. Joe Blow obviously pulled a dick move (pretty much any time someone lies, pretends to be someone else, and tricks someone in a deal, that's a dick move).

javadog 07-09-2017 09:12 AM

Actually, it's completely clear from the first post, if you go back and read it. There's only one narrative that fits his statements and it is like you describe. Being that you seem to be an attorney (if I recall correctly) you're probably used to reading things a wee bit more carefully than the average Joe. Joe should aspire to do better... :D

The funny thing is that I have noticed from other threads that there are a number of people that reply to threads without actually reading them from the beginning. Sometimes they even admit that.

Odd.

JR

svandamme 07-09-2017 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McLovin (Post 9655596)
Yes, people aren't understanding what happened, but that's because the post is a bit unclear, and you have to read 2 separate posts to get the full story.

The OP said "I posted a wanted ad on the local Kart club's online classifieds (I am a member).

Yesterday morning a guy replied with his phone number. I called him 40 minutes later. It was 7:00 AM (his time when I called) and someone else already scooped it."

Yeah well, if thats the story:
sucks for the OP, but "who dares, wins" applies.

Seller posted it public
Seller just wants to sell

Anybody who wants to buy it, can buy it since it was posted publicly.


I don't think that whoever bought it, would have claimed to be somebody else.
He just called and said, 'I am calling for that such and such that you are selling'..

I personally wouldn't do it myself, but fair game.

svandamme 07-09-2017 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by javadog (Post 9655611)
Actually, it's completely clear from the first post, if you go back and read it.

JR

First post seems to call out seller for the dick move. Which I find BS.

Wether or not the one who bought it scooped it, and wether or not thats a DM, is not clear in that first post

javadog 07-09-2017 09:59 AM

It's quite clear to me. I'll cut you some slack since English is probably not your first language.

We also may have a difference of opinion regarding the etiquette of a sale. I expect that I'm a little more conservative than you and possibly older.

JR

1990C4S 07-09-2017 10:31 AM

Definitely more mature. :)

svandamme 07-09-2017 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by javadog (Post 9655697)
It's quite clear to me. I'll cut you some slack since English is probably not your first language.

We also may have a difference of opinion regarding the etiquette of a sale. I expect that I'm a little more conservative than you and possibly older.

JR



I have had so many people tell me they were going to buy something online.
And then never actually coming through, that in my book there is no sale until money was exchanged.
In this case there had been no exchange of funds.
And there had not been any formal agreement to do a sale.

There had not even been a discussion about buying, he had not even contacted the seller at that point.

Age has nothing to do with this.
Seller wants to get rid of something in return for money
Seller did what he intended to do
Seller had not made any promisses, or accepted an offer to buy from OP.


And my English is just fine thankyouverymuch, allow me to explain it to you:





Quote:

Originally Posted by unclebilly (Post 9651402)
I am looking for an older amb transponder for Karting. I posted a wanted ad on the local Kart club's online classifieds (I am a member).

Yesterday morning a guy replied with his phone number. I called him 40 minutes later. It was 7:00 AM (his time when I called) and someone else already scooped it.

If he posted his transponder for sale in its own ad and not replied to my wanted ad then for sure, first to reply gets it.

What do you guys think? Should I be mad?

If I was him I would have replied to my ad asking to be next in line.



The bold part indicates a mitigating factor which would by OP's standards , he would give the seller a break for selling to someone else on the first come first serve basis.

That automatically implies that OP seems to think that without that factor, he has a right to be mad for seller selling it to somebody else.
Which means he implies that he thinks Seller did a Dick Move, and he's not talking about the actual buyer at that point.

Nothing wrong with my English. You might wanna brush up on yours.

Por_sha911 07-09-2017 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by javadog (Post 9655611)
...you're probably used to reading things a wee bit more carefully than the average Joe. Joe should aspire to do better... :D

Huh? What? How did I get in the middle of this?

javadog 07-09-2017 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by svandamme (Post 9655761)
Nothing wrong with my English. You might wanna brush up on yours.

My English is fine, thanks. Yours is actually pretty good, for one of those durn for'ners. So, either your reading comprehension is poor, or your ethics.

The seller had no for sale ad.
The buyer posted an "I want to buy it" ad.
The seller responded to the ad with his contact info, where everyone on the forum could see his reply, and did not contact the OP privately.
The dickhead saw the reply and called the seller to buy the transponder, even though he knew he was cutting in front of the OP.

Had the seller posted an ad to sell the transponder- fine, the first guy that offers money gets it. THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED.

That's bad, ethically speaking. If you don't see it that way, then I'd tell you that you are not a reasonable person. And, we'll have to agree to disagree.

JR

stomachmonkey 07-09-2017 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unclebilly (Post 9651402)
I am looking for an older amb transponder for Karting. I posted a wanted ad on the local Kart club's online classifieds (I am a member).

Yesterday morning a guy replied with his phone number. I called him 40 minutes later. It was 7:00 AM (his time when I called) and someone else already scooped it.

If he posted his transponder for sale in its own ad and not replied to my wanted ad then for sure, first to reply gets it.

What do you guys think? Should I be mad?

If I was him I would have replied to my ad asking to be next in line.

Quote:

Originally Posted by svandamme (Post 9655636)
First post seems to call out seller for the dick move. Which I find BS.

Wether or not the one who bought it scooped it, and wether or not thats a DM, is not clear in that first post

Last sentence makes it clear he was referring to the buyer.

svandamme 07-09-2017 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by javadog (Post 9655847)
My English is fine, thanks. Yours is actually pretty good, for one of those durn for'ners. So, either your reading comprehension is poor, or your ethics.

The seller had no for sale ad.
The buyer posted an "I want to buy it" ad.
The seller responded to the ad with his contact info, where everyone on the forum could see his reply, and did not contact the OP privately.
The dickhead saw the reply and called the seller to buy the transponder, even though he knew he was cutting in front of the OP.

Had the seller posted an ad to sell the transponder- fine, the first guy that offers money gets it. THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED.

That's bad, ethically speaking. If you don't see it that way, then I'd tell you that you are not a reasonable person. And, we'll have to agree to disagree.

JR


To be honest , That last sentence is terribly written.
By all standards of English it doesn't make any sense and I gave up on it.

The lack of interpunction and switching persons all within one single sentence made me just shrug.
I assumed he was still going on about the hypothecal "If he posted his transponder for sale in its own"



If I was him I would have replied to my ad asking to be next in line.

I him I my WTF?

If I was him: I would have replied to my ad asking to be next in line.

Makes slightly more sense, except Nobody replies to his own ad , does he?

"If I was him: I would have replied to sellers post on the wanted for sale ad, asking to be next in line instead of snatching it from the seller."

That would have made sense to everybody.



Seller did nothing wrong, the one who sniped it was a bit of a dick.
But to moan about that, frankly , there are worse things in life.. I wouldn't do it
but i sure as hell would not go out on a forum to cry about it if somebody had sniped one like that... unless it was a friend, and he knew about my intent..From a complete stranger, pff, no relation , he owes me nothing. Not worth crying about

1990C4S 07-09-2017 04:51 PM

Agreed. Unclebilly is the dick.

Por_sha911 07-09-2017 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1990C4S (Post 9656152)
Agreed. Unclebilly is the dick.


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Shaun @ Tru6 07-09-2017 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1990C4S (Post 9656152)
Agreed. Unclebilly is the dick.

I disagree, Vagisil is in order here.

Once he saw the seller's phone # posted on a public forum, if UB didn't want to/could not call then, all he had to do was send the guy a PM giving his name and phone #, saying he'll take it and that he'll call at a specified time to discuss details.

Or email.

Or posted the same info on the thread.


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