mcgregor vs mayweather

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by speeder

I realize that boxing isn't what it used to be...........

Fox Sports just had some boxing on TV this weekend, the main event was a couple of Polish heavy weights hitting each other in what seemed to be slow motion. "Baby face" won, but he had a minimally developed physique that did not inspire.

Then two weeks ago Bounce TV had boxing, some entertainment to watching 135 lb 5'-11" Easter (E-Bunny) beat the 5-5" Russian named Shafikov.

I swear they gave the decision to the wrong guy, seems like that happens about half the time in my opinion.

Maybe that is what disappoints the public the most, unfair decisions.

The crowd booed the decision, and Robert Bunny was in his home town where he had plenty of fans.

More on that fight:
Easter vs Shafikov Results & Highlights | June 30, 2017

[Rodsrsr]

Speeder is right. The reality is you cant be an expert in only one discipline and be competitive as a fighter. There's physically not enough time. Minimum 10 years in Jiu Jitsu to be high level, many years in wrestling or Judo to develop take downs and many years in whatever standup. By that time you have a fighter in his late 30's. It has changed to the point that most MMA fighters are decent in at least two styles but not expert level. I dont think the Gracies would even be competitive in todays MMA. Conditioning, aggression, and power play more of a role now, which is why Im not a huge MMA fan. With the exception of Ryan Hall, Cowboy Cerrone and of course the Diaz brothers, theres not too many high level Jiu Jitsu guys. High level wrestlers make an easy transition, but they need to learn strikes. There's no need to speculate on which discipline is the best because we've already done that, just watch the early Ultimate Fighters. Its better to be decent in all three than an expert in one which is what created the Mixed Martial Artist. Not pretty but the most effective in terms of "fighting". This boxing match is ridiculous.

[Geary]

The early Royce Gracie fights were fascinating to watch. We were all curious which discipline would come out on top, and Royce showed us. I believe he purposely refrained from using too many strikes, solely to prove BJJ was best.

I love a good submission match, and hate the bloody ones. I must admit I was torn in the match between Royce and Kimo, the Hawaiian. But time marches on, and my favorite fighter is all but forgotten ..

My granddaughter kicking Royce's butt ..

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

Spoken by a guy who probably never stepped foot on a mat.

I grew up fighting Golden Gloves. Did it until I finished high school.

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

Only a keyboard fighter would make a comment like that.

Unlike many on this forum, I refrain from comment on every little thing with which I have no personal experience or specific knowledge. You would be well served to do the same - 'tis better to be suspected a fool than to erase all doubt.

Again (as I mentioned earlier), we actually boxed a few kids with belts in weird sounding martial arts disciplines. Every one of those poor guys got hammered by the boxer. None of them had the stamina to get through even a couple of rounds.

If you have ever been in the ring, you might understand the stamina required of boxing. In my youth I played soccer all the way through school and raced bicycles to boot. A boxing match took more out of me than a soccer match or bike race. Far more. The latter last 90 minutes and several hours respectively.

[kach22i]

MMA Vs Boxing: A Brief History Of Crossover Clashes - Pundit Arena

The only instance in which an elite boxer was tempted into a mixed rules bout happened in 1976. Muhammad Ali could not at this time be considered to be in his prime, but he was still the heavyweight champion of the world, and would be for almost another two years. Ali, was reportedly offered $6 million dollars by backers of Japanese professional wrestler Antonio Inoki to compete in a bout, to be held in Tokyo.

In a fight that was an enormous event at the time, Inoki and Ali fought to a farcical draw. Inoki, who had a legitimate background in submission wrestling and martial arts, spent almost the entire fight on his back kicking at the legs of “the Greatest”. Ali threw very few punches throughout the frustrating 15 rounds of non-action due the the unorthodox spoiling tactics of his opponent. The whole episode tainted Ali’s legacy in the eyes of many fight historians, though it has been widely forgotten in the mainstream.

https://hypebeast.com/2017/3/mma-versus-boxing-comparisons-history-mcgregor-mayweather

MMA and boxing are often compared, and for good reason. Boxing is obviously a key part of mixed martial arts, and while few professional boxers make the switch to MMA, a great deal of MMA fighters have boxed at the lower levels of the sport. However, while comparisons make sense, the idea that two practitioners of separate disciplines should fight is, well, absurd when you look at it plainly. An MMA fighter trains boxing as part of their regime but they also train various other disciplines as well, meaning their boxing skill is always going to be rudimentary compared to a full-time boxer. In the other corner, boxers don’t do any of the grappling arts, or even practice kicks, so few of them show any willingness to get in the octagon.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

You have that backwards. Boxing gloves are meant to protect the hands and allow you to hit much harder. Its actually safer for the opponent to be hit with thinner gloves.

yeah sort of.

back in the day when I was occasionally fortunate to have a pro do the wrap on my hands, I was amazed at the difference.
It would concentrate the bones, support them, make them all hard as concrete. All the way from the wrist.

THAT would allow me to hit with full force. not the gloves.

With a perfect wrap, thin gloves protected him less.

With a crappy wrap, thick gloves would allow me to hit harder.

Course i only had two weights of gloves anyway ......
12 oz. (Amateur) and 10 oz. (pro) heavyweight.
Never even thought of going pro.

[sammyg2]

When and where I grew up, martial arts was for the kids who got their arses whipped in regular fighting.

In most case that only got worse the more they took martial arts.

But that prolly had more to do with the kind of kids who took marital arts, not the sport itself.

[DavidI]

As a former fighter (boxing, wrestling, Muay Thai, BJJ, and JKD) and working with these professional fighters, Conor has almost zero chance of winning against Floyd. I dislike everything about Floyd, but have to acknowledge his ability to box and move. Floyd is way too fast and sharp for Conor to catch him. As much as I want Conor to knock Floyd on his ass, my money is on Floyd.

I hope I have to eat my words!

I'll be working UFC 214 on July 29th. I'll be the short, bald, handsome guy, with the block head in the suit during the walk-ins and between rounds. It's going to be fun as hell!!!

[Don Ro]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

MMA is rife with guys who could not make it in boxing. They lack the skill, stamina, and discipline.

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Originally Posted by Don Ro

Did you read that somewhere or is that just an expression of hope?

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Posting this question again, Jeff, in case you didn't see it.

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I boxed Golden Gloves also...last two years of high school.
How far did you get? Regionals?...Nationals?

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Don Ro

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Posting this question again, Jeff, in case you didn't see it.

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I boxed Golden Gloves also...last two years of high school.
How far did you get? Regionals?...Nationals?

Sorry Don, I did miss the question the first time. To answer it, I would say my position is based upon observation and some personal experience long ago.

As far as how far I got in Golden Gloves, I really didn't get far at all. I wasn't a very good boxer. I was always tall for my age, but had the build of, well, a soccer player and bike racer. I was just big enough to always land in the bottom of the heavyweights, so I fought a lot of kids bigger and stronger than myself. That, and I was really only doing it to make my dad happy, who felt that every young man should learn to box. So I dutifully did that, never really enjoying, nor excelling at it. It was one hell of a workout, though, compared to my usual running and riding.

[Don Ro]

I understand about what a protective father would want for his son.
My motivation was due to being pushed around and sometimes fighting with my older brother.
Funny how he left me alone half way through my senior year.
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A good friend of my mother was a U.S. Marshall (ex-military boxer) and he trained us local boys.
At 16 yrs. old I worked at a local bowling alley setting pins...strictly to make $$ for a speed bag ...mounted it in our basement.
Could only use it when my mother was at work - she hated the noise.
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I made it to the regionals in Minneapolis...lost my first fight to a kid who won national & then signed pro.
When a young GG, he was a "slugger". But 42-7-3 (22 KO's) as a pro.
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I was usually OK until a hard hit to my nose...always seemed to take my breath away.
Not been in a fight since...close, however. Common sense prevailed.
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[Rodsrsr]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

I grew up fighting Golden Gloves. Did it until I finished high school.



Unlike many on this forum, I refrain from comment on every little thing with which I have no personal experience or specific knowledge. You would be well served to do the same - 'tis better to be suspected a fool than to erase all doubt.

Again (as I mentioned earlier), we actually boxed a few kids with belts in weird sounding martial arts disciplines. Every one of those poor guys got hammered by the boxer. None of them had the stamina to get through even a couple of rounds.

If you have ever been in the ring, you might understand the stamina required of boxing. In my youth I played soccer all the way through school and raced bicycles to boot. A boxing match took more out of me than a soccer match or bike race. Far more. The latter last 90 minutes and several hours respectively.

So you havent boxed since you were 17....and how old are you now? I actually do know a little bit about fighting btw. I have been training in BJJ for the past 7 years and am approaching high level, which should be painfully obvious by my avatar. I currently train 4-5 times per week plus weight training. I rolled yesterday and am going again tonight. You last sparred 30 years ago?

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Don Ro

I understand about what a protective father would want for his son.
My motivation was due to being pushed around and sometimes fighting with my older brother.
Funny how he left me alone half way through my senior year.
.
A good friend of my mother was a U.S. Marshall (ex-military boxer) and he trained us local boys.
At 16 yrs. old I worked at a local bowling alley setting pins...strictly to make $$ for a speed bag ...mounted it in our basement.
Could only use it when my mother was at work - she hated the noise.
.
I made it to the regionals in Minneapolis...lost my first fight to a kid who won national & then signed pro.
When a young GG, he was a "slugger". But 42-7-3 (22 KO's) as a pro.
.
I was usually OK until a hard hit to my nose...always seemed to take my breath away.
Not been in a fight since...close, however. Common sense prevailed.
.

You did better than I did, Don, that's for sure. Looking past my indifferent record in the ring, though, I did find that the bigger bullies left me alone once introduced to even my mediocre boxing "skills". So, my dad achieved what he wanted.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

So you havent boxed since you were 17....and how old are you now?

I'm 56. I'm not sure what my age, experience, and current skill/fitness level have to do with Mayweather or McGregor, though.

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

I actually do know a little bit about fighting btw.

Martial arts and boxing are two different things. Yes, boxing is a "martial art" in the broader sense, but in a narrower sense, it is a sport with a very restrictive set of rules. Nothing taught in mamby-pamby "martial arts" transfers very well to boxing.

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

I have been training in BJJ for the past 7 years and am approaching high level, which should be painfully obvious by my avatar.

I think you put a lot more weight behind your avatar than the rest of us. Quite honestly, I don't think anyone on this forum would recognize it for the statement you hope it makes - no one realizes just what a badassmotherplucker you really are. Dang. Maybe you will just have to tell us...

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

I currently train 4-5 times per week plus weight training. I rolled yesterday and am going again tonight.

God damned impressive. No wonder Mayweather isn't fighting you.

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

You last sparred 30 years ago?

Yup. But, that said, I retired about 30 days ago, at the ripe old age of 56. I've been putting my energies into things that I find more important than being the toughest guy on Pelican.

You go guy - get another belt in another goofy, trendy, "martial arts" discipline wherein you never really have to fight. That will make you an expert on even more stuff. And any decent boxer will still kick your ass...

[Rodsrsr]

J Higgins keyboard warrior, romanticizing his 30 year old memories. lol. correction 39 year old memories.

[pwd72s]

Rodsrsr? Your avatar looked like a row of cheap Taiwan made pool cue butts to me.

Oh well, proceed.

[Rodsrsr]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

Rodsrsr? Your avatar looked like a row of cheap Taiwan made pool cue butts to me.

Oh well, proceed.

Its not the belt its what the belt represents, but if you trained you would know that. Another keyboard warrior. Gotta go train, talk to you girls later.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

Its not the belt its what the belt represents, but if you trained you would know that. Another keyboard warrior. Gotta go train, talk to you girls later.

Paul and I are both old enough to recognize exactly what those belts represent. For those who were a bit shaky on what that might be, you have unwittingly done your part to clarify all of that.

I've seen way too many guys with those cheap ass b.s. little belts get their asses kicked in real fights, both in and out of the ring. They hand them out to arrogant idiots like you as a way of keeping you on the hook, and paying, at your local dojo as you "progress".

I used to think it was pretty entertaining to see some of the cockier of your lot, believing their own press, getting pounded like a tent stake by some fat, out of shape, middle aged bar brawler, or biker, or someone like that. Been awhile since I've seen that, though, since I haven't hung out in biker bars for 30 some-odd years.

No wonder you think McGregor has a real chance - you think you would, in a real fight, have one as well. *Sigh* - go pull your P.J.'s on and "train", Mr. Badass.

[pwd72s]

Actually, there is a matchup coming up in August. Think I'd rather watch that over Mayweather & McGregor.

It'll be a really close battle between two of the top ranked in the world. Shane Van Boening vs. Jayson Shaw.

Here's the top 100 list...

http://www.fargorate.com/top-ten-lists

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

I have met some real warriors.
They were not arrogant.
They did not have to be...........

You stole my most common PARF argument.

Too much chest beating in this thread, it's not about you, it's about them.

For the record, I did very well in every fight I threw the first punch in.

I also excel at walking into a punch.

Lighten up, this fight coming up is just a money changing scheme.

Your money going to them.

Business, just business.

Don't take it personally.