If you are 50ish or older.....

[stomachmonkey]

....and not taking this stuff, you're an idiot and deserve all the dribble down the inside of your pant leg that you get.

https://www.amazon.com/TruNature-Prostate-Plus-Health-Complex/dp/B00F1MB79K/ref=sr_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1506912502&sr=8-1&keywords=trunature%2Bprostate%2Bhealth%2Bcomplex&th=1

There are additional benefits, you'll know it.

[masraum]

I think one of the other guys on the board has mentioned taking saw palmetto for the prostate.

[JackDidley]

Originally Posted by masraum

I think one of the other guys on the board has mentioned taking saw palmetto for the prostate.

Yes, I saw that. Now add one more.

[sc_rufctr]

Thanks (I'm 52). So what are the additional benefits?

Does the "old fella" work better?

[wdfifteen]

I got some on your earlier recommendation, I keep taking it but I don't see any change. I'll see what happens when their all gone

[livi]

I am an idiot. But then I already suspected that.

[DanielDudley]

Originally Posted by livi

I am an idiot. But then I already suspected that.

But you married well...

[livi]

Yeah I did, thanks! What were the odds?

[Baz]

I'm 63 and haven't had any plumbing problems - ever - but ordered some anyway - as a preemptive strike!

Thanks, Scott....

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by livi

I am an idiot. But then I already suspected that.

Me too.

I will keep the $36 bucks until there is a clinical study that shows it does something.

I knew many people that sing the praises of Glucosamine. All it ever did for me was make my bank account go down. The science says is is not absorbed and it a total waste of money.

One thing for sure, the placebo effect is real. It is your money.

[recycled sixtie]

No I don't take pills for my prostate. Had a turp operation done two years ago but prostate was enlarged but not cancer. The psa test they say is of questionable use but I get it done yearly anyway.

Diet apparently can be a factor in the frequency of prostate cancer. Too much meat can be a factor. I don't take pills for the prostate. I get a yearly prostate digital exam done.
Age 71 so far so good.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

....

I knew many people that sing the praises of Glucosamine. All it ever did for me was make my bank account go down. The science says is is not absorbed and it a total waste of money.

One thing for sure, the placebo effect is real. It is your money.

One of my dear friends is a veterinarian....came to my house to help my 14 year Lab over the bridge when her time came. Glucosamine absolutely made a difference in her quality of life the last two years as she gradually declined. He said it was a a waste too....to her it was just another treat, or supplimental drops in her food when needed. She was a smart dawgy....but I don't think her mind did the placebo effect thingy

[kach22i]

I think if you are waiting for science to come out with a definitive study on this and similar products, you are going to be waiting a long time.

Big pharma isn't going to profit from such products, so they are not going to pay for the expensive studies. In fact they may pay for studies that promise to disprove their alleged medical claims.

http://aphioshwc.com/products/speroltm-ds-detail/historical-use-of-saw-palmetto.html

Historically, Saw Palmetto was taken with nettle root and pumpkin seeds.* Thus, some modern formulations include these elements.* Native American medicine men also reputedly kept a medicine bag of Saw Palmetto around to make antiseptic and a tonic, and to treat a wide variety of conditions, including impotence, inflammation and infertility, and as an expectorant.

I've been taking Saw Palmetto daily for over five years, and apple cider vinegar for about two years now.

I trust these old school remedies and treatments over anything coming out of a modern lab.

I take no prescription drugs at 57 years old and I plan to keep it this way unless I get really sick for some unforeseen reason.

I've been keeping an eye on the drugs recommended to me a dozen years ago, and it seems they are all subjects of class action lawsuits now because of terrible side affects.

EDIT: Hair loss, the bald spot on the top back of my head is the why and how I first discovered Saw Palmetto.

This is totally subjective, but I have some supporting photo documentation in addition to my own observations. My bald spot which isn't very large has more or less been frozen in time for the past +five years.

A buddy of mine also suffering from thin hair, rising hair line, thinning spot on the top back of the head is two to three times thinner than he was five years ago. I'm about the same. I know that no two people are alike but a see a reflection of what I would have been when I see him.


Saw Palmetto for Hair Loss | Does it Work?
http://www.hairtodaytheretomorrow.com/saw-palmetto-for-hair-loss/

Native Americans are said to have used it as medicine and food for hundreds of years. *Since it was first discovered it has been used to treat a variety of conditions including hair loss, bladder infections, prostate cancer, and decreased sexual drive...................

As far as saw palmetto for hair loss is concerned, it belongs to a class of treatments commonly referred to as ‘natural’ DHT*blockers.* Studies demonstrating efficacy of saw palmetto for hair loss are, unfortunately, neither as common nor as well accepted as they are for the treatment of benign prostatic hyperplasia...................

I should note that in that same time period I've also been taking Beta Glucan, which is also alleged to help with the two issues I've covered. My opinion is that Beta Glucan also contributes to helping your body do what it does best. If I could tag it with any single benefit it would be an improvement to eye-sight.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Me too.

I will keep the $36 bucks until there is a clinical study that shows it does something.

I knew many people that sing the praises of Glucosamine. All it ever did for me was make my bank account go down. The science says is is not absorbed and it a total waste of money.

One thing for sure, the placebo effect is real. It is your money.

Agreed. Maybe this stuff is different than the other dozen or so products that make the same claims, but color me skeptical.
I'll need some real proof.

SUPER BETA PROSTATE FALSE ADVERTISING CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT
By Sarah Mirando
April 8, 2013 4

Super Beta ProstateFamed quarterback Joe Theismann and supplement maker New Vitality Corp. are accused of selling millions of bottles of a phony prostate drug that was created by a convicted felon, in a new class action lawsuit filed Thursday.

Lead plaintiff Floyd Luman says the defendants’ Super Beta Prostate is an unsafe and illegal drug that does nothing to alleviate the symptoms of benign prostate hyperplasia (“BPH”) for which it is marketed to treat.

According to the class action lawsuit:

“Defendants’ marketing and promotion of Super Beta Prostate is an elaborate hoax involving a falsified medical endorsement by Dr. Jeffrey J. Zielinski, and false claims that the product will treat the symptoms of BPH. The product was created by Roger Mason, a convicted felon who pleaded guilty to conspiracy to distribute PCP. Defendant New Vitality describes Mr. Mason as a ‘research chemist.’ His latest concoction, Super Beta Prostate, is an illegal drug that contains dangerously high doses of mixed sterols, including B-sitosterol, a drug that has been marketed in Europe under the trade names Harzol and Azuprostat. These compounds are no longer considered suitable for treatment of BPH.”

The Super Beta Prostate class action lawsuit says Joe Theismann “has never been diagnosed with BPH or its symptoms. Nor was he a bona fide user of Super Beta Prostate. His statements concerning his symptoms are completely fabricated.”

The class action lawsuit further claims that Dr. Zielinski, who appears in commercials endorsing Super Beta Prostate, has submitted a sworn declaration to the class counsel stating he is an actor and has not practiced medicine since 2009.

Zielinski says in the sworn document that he was a hired actor who was told to wear a white doctor’s coat with his name on it and read a teleprompter in front of a green screen. It was only after the commercials for Super Beta Prostate aired that he realized a doctor’s office had been superimposed on the green screen.

“I did not intend to provide medical advice to anyone, or to provide a medical endorsement of the product,” Zielinski says in the statement. “If I were a practicing physician, I would not [XX] recommend Super Beta Prostate for the treatment of BPH or its symptoms [or] to anyone for any purpose.”

“I believe [Super Beta Prostate] is unsuitable for the treatment of BPH, and possibly unsafe because it is a formulation that has never been studied and it includes mixed sterols in very high doses that could cause significant adverse events,” Zielinksi continues.

The class action lawsuit is seeking to represent all persons in the U.S. who purchased Super Beta Prostate. It is seeking compensatory and punitive damages, restitution, injunctive relief and more for violations of the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act and California’s Consumer Legal Remedies Act, Unfair Competition Law and False Advertising Law; breach of express and implied warranty; and unjust enrichment.

The Super Beta Prostate Class Action Lawsuit case is Floyd Luman v. New Vitality Corp. and Joe Theismann, Case No. 13-cv-656, California Eastern District Court, Sacramento.

https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/3860-super-beta-prostate-false-advertising-class-action-lawsuit/

6 Tip-offs to Rip-offs: Don't Fall for Health Fraud Scams


Bogus product! Danger! Health fraud alert!

You’ll never see these warnings on health products, but that’s what you ought to be thinking when you see claims like “miracle cure,” “revolutionary scientific breakthrough,” or “alternative to drugs or surgery.”

Health fraud scams have been around for hundreds of years. The snake oil salesmen of old have morphed into the deceptive, high-tech marketers of today. They prey on people’s desires for easy solutions to difficult health problems—from losing weight to curing serious diseases like cancer.

According to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), a health product is fraudulent if it is deceptively promoted as being effective against a disease or health condition but has not been scientifically proven safe and effective for that purpose.

Scammers promote their products through newspapers, magazines, TV infomercials and cyberspace. You can find health fraud scams in retail stores and on countless websites, in popup ads and spam, and on social media sites like Facebook and Twitter.

Not Worth the Risk

Health fraud scams can do more than waste your money. They can cause serious injury or even death, says Gary Coody, R.Ph., FDA’s national health fraud coordinator. “Using unproven treatments can delay getting a potentially life-saving diagnosis and medication that actually works. Also, fraudulent products sometimes contain hidden drug ingredients that can be harmful when unknowingly taken by consumers.”
Coody says fraudulent products often make claims related to:

weight loss
sexual performance
memory loss
serious diseases such as cancer, diabetes, heart disease, arthritis and Alzheimer’s.
A Pervasive Problem

Fraudulent products not only won’t work—they could cause serious injury. In the past few years, FDA laboratories have found more than 100 weight-loss products, illegally marketed as dietary supplements, that contained sibutramine, the active ingredient in the prescription weight-loss drug Meridia. In 2010, Meridia was withdrawn from the U.S. market after studies showed that it was associated with an increased risk of heart attack and stroke.
Fraudulent products marketed as drugs or dietary supplements are not the only health scams on the market. FDA found a fraudulent and expensive light therapy device with cure-all claims to treat fungal meningitis, Alzheimer’s, skin cancer, concussions and many other unrelated diseases. Generally, making health claims about a medical device without FDA clearance or approval of the device is illegal.

“Health fraud is a pervasive problem,” says Coody, “especially when scammers sell online. It’s difficult to track down the responsible parties. When we do find them and tell them their products are illegal, some will shut down their website. Unfortunately, however, these same products may reappear later on a different website, and sometimes may reappear with a different name.”

Tip-Offs

FDA offers some tip-offs to help you identify rip-offs.
One product does it all. Be suspicious of products that claim to cure a wide range of diseases. A New York firm claimed its products marketed as dietary supplements could treat or cure senile dementia, brain atrophy, atherosclerosis, kidney dysfunction, gangrene, depression, osteoarthritis, dysuria, and lung, cervical and prostate cancer. In October 2012, at FDA’s request, U.S. marshals seized these products.
Personal testimonials. Success stories, such as, “It cured my diabetes” or “My tumors are gone,” are easy to make up and are not a substitute for scientific evidence.
Quick fixes. Few diseases or conditions can be treated quickly, even with legitimate products. Beware of language such as, “Lose 30 pounds in 30 days” or “eliminates skin cancer in days.”
“All natural.” Some plants found in nature (such as poisonous mushrooms) can kill when consumed. Moreover, FDA has found numerous products promoted as “all natural” but that contain hidden and dangerously high doses of prescription drug ingredients or even untested active artificial ingredients.
“Miracle cure.” Alarms should go off when you see this claim or others like it such as, “new discovery,” “scientific breakthrough” or “secret ingredient.” If a real cure for a serious disease were discovered, it would be widely reported through the media and prescribed by health professionals—not buried in print ads, TV infomercials or on Internet sites.
Conspiracy theories. Claims like “The pharmaceutical industry and the government are working together to hide information about a miracle cure” are always untrue and unfounded. These statements are used to distract consumers from the obvious, common-sense questions about the so-called miracle cure.
Even with these tips, fraudulent health products are not always easy to spot. If you're tempted to buy an unproven product or one with questionable claims, check with your doctor or other health care professional first.
This article appears on FDA's Consumer Updates page, which features the latest on all FDA-regulated products.


Fraudulent Products RSS Feed

Consumers can subscribe to the FDA RSS feed that will send information on fraudulent products to your smart phone or computer and help you from being duped or hurt by these products.
To report a health product that you suspect is fraudulent, call your local FDA Consumer Complaint Coordinator.

https://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm341344.htm

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Agreed. Maybe this stuff is different than the other dozen or so products that make the same claims, but color me skeptical.
I'll need some real proof.

Did anyone think Big Pharma was just going to sit back and see market share slide by uncontested?

Get real, it's war.

Sammyg2, your article is not about Saw Palmetto's effectiveness, it's about truth in advertising standards not being met by one company in particular.

Germany and France lead herbal use in Europe
25-Mar-2005

Use of herbal medicine in German and France is the most widespread in Europe, according to a report published in the New England Journal of Medicine yesterday.

https://www.nutraingredients.com/Article/2005/03/25/Germany-and-France-lead-herbal-use-in-Europe

The difference in Europe is that healthcare insurance providers cover herbal medicines.

EDIT: more studies.........

Saw Palmetto
January 2007
Saw Palmetto | Life Extension Magazine

For more than a century, saw palmetto (Sabal serrulata) has been recognized for its ability to relieve swelling of the prostate gland. In fact, saw palmetto is one of the most popular plant-derived remedies for benign prostatic hypertrophy. Doctors in Germany, Austria, and Italy use saw palmetto, along with other plant extracts like pygeum and nettle root, as a first-line treatment for enlargement of the prostate gland.1...................

Research has shown that saw palmetto is an effective inhibitor of 5-alpha-reductase activity in prostate gland tissue.2-6 In patients with BPH, saw palmetto relieved urinary symptoms as effectively as the pharmaceutical 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor, finasteride (Proscar®).9 In addition to inhibiting 5-alpha-reductase activity, saw palmetto exerts anti-inflammatory effects that also may have complementary effects on prostate health.9

Extensive research supports saw palmetto’s benefits for prostate health. An analysis of 2,939 men with symptomatic BPH found that those taking saw palmetto extract reported greater improvement of urinary tract symptoms and urinary flow measures compared to control subjects. Furthermore, the experimental group saw a decrease in episodes of nocturia (nighttime urination) and an improvement in peak urinary flow.1

[ckelly78z]

At 52, I can still arc the stream a couple of feet, so I don't need any help in that department.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by ckelly78z

At 52, I can still arc the stream a couple of feet, so I don't need any help in that department.

Nobody like a bragger.

Like I said, I started taking it for hair loss.

How's your hair?

Preventing and Managing Hair Loss
Saw Palmetto | Life Extension Magazine

Sixty percent of the study subjects were rated as improved at the final visit.

[GH85Carrera]

Walk into ANY "health food" place and you will see thousands upon thousands of bottles of pills claiming to fix everything under the sun. There is zero real regulation and some pills have almost none of what they say they do, and others have way too much. Some can be DEADLY if taken with prescription meds.

Virtually all of it just makes expensive pee. Some products like the fiber pills or fiber supplements will indeed make you poop more. Can't argue with that.

The pill manufacturers have little oversight, no inspections and make crazy claims. They make billions and they have a strong enough lobby to keep any sensible oversight from ever happening.

I will stick to medical science.

[sc_rufctr]

Originally Posted by kach22i

No body like a bragger.

Like I said, I started taking it for hair loss.

How's your hair?

Preventing and Managing Hair Loss
Saw Palmetto | Life Extension Magazine

From your link...

... However, researchers have also discovered that finasteride is associated with a greater risk of erectile dysfunction, ejaculatory disorders, and decreased libido.18 Thus, many men are seeking effective solutions for hair loss that are free of these side effects.

No thanks.

[vash]

while i do get "stagefright" i'm still easy flowing.

i lasered beamed a big horsefly the other day while hiking. my wife saw me and asked me wtf i was doing..she was far enough to not clearly see what i was doing..i was undulating unnaturally.

it flew dangerously close and i beamed him.. my wife still laughs at me when i tell her thank god i do my "Kegels".