Glad to have a V8

[VIPRKLR]

jryerson: those were pretty personal insults to VW - someone who never referred to you by name in a negative manner.

Perhaps your unsuccessful car ownership and obviously lacking car education (specifically related to cars in the real world - an no - saying you owned them doesn’t count) are related to your inability to properly care for a car unless someone does it for you. Or perhaps you’re just a bad driver. Maybe both.

If you don’t like what you read here about V8's in 911's, then turn your head and say nothing if not something nice. There are plenty here interested in the topic and you are not going to influence any opinions here. No one is interested in your insults. But insults should be dealt with in a manner consistent with their intended spirit.

That should get a few more posts...
200 or BUST

[Matt Smith]

Two hundred is a nice, round number so I better 'help out' again.

VW@heart: why get so heated up! The time for decent, factual/useful/technical information has long since passed. Around about post no. 1 actually.

What we need now is, well, a Pelican soap opera I guess! You know the gig:
A few strong characters with opposing views; a nosey neighbour who can't stop meddling; the new person on the block who stirs up old memories; the talented-but-troubled genius; a couple of peskey adolescents always getting themselves into trouble...
Every Soap has an ongoing, frustrating on again/off again love affair in it- we've all got one of those already!

How about this for a new plot line:

*Leading character (a surgeon) falls deeply in love with a timelesly elegant though still beautiful woman. Sadly the woman is of ailing health, and has recently fallen on hard times and cannot afford the medical bills neccessary for her complete recovery. In a fit of pitiful, charitable lust, the surgeon takes it upon himself to cure her of her ailments and make her better than before!
He begins the trecherous, uncharted medical misadventure one night in his darkened operating theatre soon after receiving the chilled baboon's heart from an unnamed (though supposedly reliable) source. Will it fit? Will it last? Will it permanently disfigure her???????

Hahahahahahahahahah!!


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'72 911 TE

[atr911]

I want to be the "talented-but-troubled genius-adolescent"?

Adam Roseneck



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1978 911SC 3.0
roseneck@cyberbeach.net

[Joe Bob]

Can I be the horny next door neighbor that stands 6'2", blonde and blue, drives the gnarly 83 SC cabriolet and gets to screw every new nubile young actress that hits the set?

Hey...it could happen....8^)

[Jamie79SC]

Adam, you are.

[82SC]

Can some one please post a REALLY REALLY high resolution picture in this post so that it will take forever to download, and people will stop bickering over this mundane and utterly boring topic

[stormcrow]

Well, I guess I'll put my .02 in again. Lets compare the v8 to the v6 porsche engine.

As I have stated in the past, the porsche engine is a complicated machine. The tolerances are much closer than those of the v8 - that is unless you have the v8 blueprinted and balanced. The porsche engine is already balanced.

Operation- you can run the hell out of a porsche engine and it will keep on going. You can't run the hell out of a v8 for very long before it starts burning oil - again, I am comparing a stock v8 against a stock v6.

I have seen many a big block engines smoke - especially those that are considered muscle cars that are being run on a daily basis. I have yet to see a porsche smoke that has been run on a daily basis. Why, because of its design.

Carburators vs fuel injection- on the v8 there isn't much to deal with. quad carberators - float - needle valves, throttle plates - vacuume hoses - idle adjustment.

On the fuel injection engine - throttle housing - auxiliary air valve - auxiliary air regulator - thermo valve - control pressure regulator - diverter valve - deceleration valve

On the v8 all those components are associated with the carburator operating properly, on the v6 all those components listed are associated with the engine operating properly. Big difference.

More parts on the v6 result in more problems - but, if you know how to deal with them, than working on the v6 is no different than working on the v8.

Costs associated with the v8 are a lot different than those associated with the v6.
The v8 parts are mass produced and cost less - the v6 parts are not a because of this, costs more.

Sopisticated differences - the v8 is pretty much a common engine and if you worked on one, you can work on another, whereas the v6 is a lot more complicated and required more technical skills to get the engine running right.

Now, I did not make the above comment to get people pi**ed - it's just a fact. There are people who want the easy road, and there are people who want a challange.

I own a 78 911 SC Targa - Never got involved with a P-engine before this. Knew nothing about it. Worked on v8 and v6, flat heads, four cylinders, etc.

It takes a lot of courage to tackle tearing down a v6 P-engine. In addition you better pay attenention and know what you are doing. On the other hand, working on a v8 is pretty straight forward, again if you worked on one, you can work on others.

As you can see based upon what I have stated that not everyone could or would want to own a P-engine or want to work on one. It's just too involved and when it does have problems, solving it is not as easy as it seems, let alone the costs associated with it.

On the other hand, if the v6 is running right, and it is taken care of, it will provide many miles of happy motoring, just like the v8, and it is more forgiving in most instances.

v8's have there place, just as the v6's have their place. We can go on, and on, and on, and on about the comparison but the bottom line is what works for you may not work for someone else.

Steve

[VIPRKLR]

Poor Steve - how do expect us to respect your position when you are so WRONG!!!

You have confused the small block with smoking big blocks, and Porsche has NEVER built a V6 - EVER. Now if you knew what you talking about you would compare apples to apples - 3.6 is comparable to the Chevy LT-6.
The Chevys do not leak, have fewer parts and produce far more power. The flat 6 of Porsche (F6 for those of you from Palm Beach county, FL.)is very intricate, and does a GREAT job. It is just so well designed that there is no room for improvement without the aid of major $$$. Even if you have the $$$ to put in the F6, and you "keep score" by dollars, how much sense does that make when that same $12K+ could be invested elsewhere. I have always been told that a man is remembered for the money he saves, not the money he spends...

Please research information prior to posting as you have just made major points for those of us considering the wisdom of the V8 swap.

Muhahahahaha

[Fishcop]

Can we go back to Matt's Soap Opera idea? So bored with the techno jibberish ......

Can I be the nosy neighbour that has an invallid opinion on everything? Mrs Mangle rules! (Only Right Hand Drive owners will know what I'm on about hahaha....Every body need good neighbours!)

[Fishcop]

Can we go back to Matt's Soap Opera idea? So bored with the techno jibberish ......

Can I be the nosy neighbour that has an invallid opinion on everything? Mrs Mangle rules! (Only Right Hand Drive owners will know what I'm on about hahaha....Every body need good neighbours!)

[Matt Smith]

Fishcop:

If you are trying to compare a mangle to a Porsche >F6< you are well off base.

The mangle was a turn of the century clothes drying device, simple in engineering terms, simple in manufacture and simple in use-
merely place the clothes in one end, twist the handle and out they come; all squeezed dry.

The >F6< is an engineering jewel. It is mastery of design, brilliance of execution and wonderous in operation. It can also be seemingly simple in use: merely place your body in the seat, twist the key and out you'll come- squeezed flat from G forces.

Mrs Mangle from Neighbours still works in this discussion though! Brits and Aussies/Kiwis will remember her as an annoyingly antiquated, stuck-in-her-ways frump, who was well past her sell by date. Kinda reminds me of the SB Chevvy??

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'72 911 TE

[RarlyL8]

Gees VIP get a grip! I think you've been sniffin' too much nitro.
The F6 is cool and strange little motor. What it lacks in displacement it makes up for by using "exotic" fuel delivery and oiling systems. Just think of how much power a small block would produce with 4 Webers and a dry sump system. Why - I bet they may have even use something like that for racing.

[TFI]

neat! look at the number of posts go! woo hoo!!!

and maybe 2 out of the almost 200 are really informative on how that v-8 got stuffed in the car in the first place.
no links to a website with pictures of engine mounts, radiators, adaptor from transaxle to engine etc.
pictures of teh exhaust would be cool too.

more stuff for snipers to shoot at, more stuff for the curious to be informed on.

-just doing my part to contribute to viprkiller's ambition on getting to 200!

[aircool]

Hey, on this soap opera can I be the producer and director who gets to screen cast the actors/stars? I think you ChopShop guys are missing the point to all of this, especially you VWsansheart. This is not about horsepower or who goes faster or who is more reliable and inexpensive, if it were you are all barking up the wrong tree, or blowing through the wrong pipe. We purists really don't care if your car can go faster than a "real" Porsche, or how much you think you are saving with an inferior engine. Bottom line is when you take the soul out of the Porsche you disrupt the harmony of engineering that it was designed with. We purists love the sound of the flat six, its sweet tone, its design, and the way the engine combines with the body to create a picture of beauty and perfection. When I see a V-8 in the back of one of this pieces of art I have to gasp in horror. So cut all the technical gibberish and stick to the issue, DON'T BUTCHER A PIECE OF ART!! AND IF YOU DO, DON'T COME TO OUR BACKYARD BRAGGING ABOUT HOW YOUR DOG CRAPPED ON THE LAWN!!

BYTHEWAY my spellcheck doesn't work either.

[Adam]

Holy Cow!

This has got to set some kind of record for postings on the one topic!

Watching with anticipation....

AC



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Adam Chaplin
adamchaplin@optushome.com.au
1976 911S Coupe

[stormcrow]

You're right viprklr, I did make a mistake when I called the P-engine the v6, but you knew what I was talking about anyway.

As for the big block or the small block v8's they're both the same - you can't compare them to the porsche engine - no way. But you are right when you say they are cheap - they are. Parts are real cheap.

So, with regard to the P-engine, it's all quality, no comparison to the small or large block v8's when you compare them.

What I am talking about if you didn't understand, is that a moron can work on a v8 small block or big block, but it takes a person with knowledge to work on a P-engine.

Steve

[Jerry S]

Last week a friend and myself saw a "Lamborghini" parked on this lot. We ran out to see this fine looking unit. When we investigated it up close ; it was Chevy auto-transmission and Chevy V-8. PATHETIC

We walked away....

[Blackfoot]

man, this post sure is ferreting out the snobbery of some porsche owners.

[RarlyL8]

Hey Aircool - you've got a big block Chevelle sitting right beside a 911. How can you own a muscle car and NOT be a hotrodder? Do you even work on your own cars? Driving a 911 after a few blasts in your big block has got to be like getting off a crotch rocket onto a moped.

Perspective is a funny thing. Purists think the 911 is a work of art, domestic hotrodders think a V8 in a 911 would class up the German junker a little. Ha!

[RarlyL8]

OK VIPRdude we can put this to rest now, you got your 200.

KS911, bet you're happy you started this one! HA!

[This message has been edited by RarlyL8 (edited 02-27-2001).]